if you read don quixote in two days you’re a definitely a retard.
like going to France and ordering McDonalds.
fucking Americans.
Classy, I figure you can read the whole of Ulysses in total of 17 minutes?
Douche!
Technically, if you do that you’ll be doing the same as a lot of locals. People love their “Mac Do” (for some reason).
Immerse yourself in the local culture (and have a beer at the local Mc D, assuming that’s still a thing, I’m not really sure).
horsey mchorseyton
Feel this in my bones. I enjoy reading books, but they go down the memory hole fast for me, especially names.
if you are like Anon it’s because you read too fast. slow the fuck down and maybe you’d remember relevant details.
I have a strong case of the "My eyes were moving correctly but i was thinking about lunch for the last 3 paragraphs"es
Rocinante and the only reason I know is because of The Expanse.
Shame! (bling)
I never made this connection but now I imagine this as Holden being self-aware / self-critical.
I love that the guys say something like “it means war horse”. Rocinante is a word play with “Rocin antes”. Rocin being an old weak horse unfit for serious work and. ‘antes’ is the spanish word for ‘before’.
So it translates to “Prenag”? I love it.
americans wrote it. it has to be ‘bad ass’.
americans can’t understand irony. too dumb.
From the book:
Holden punched the comm system on the wall. “Well, crew, welcome aboard the gas freighter Rocinante.”
“What does that name even mean?” Naomi said after he let go of the comm button.
“It means we need to go find some windmills,” Holden said over his shoulder as he headed to the lift.
James Holden is a very Don Quixote-like character. Try harder.
I only know it because it’s the name of my best friends horse. He played the violin at our wedding
What a talented horse
Smart horse
One of my favorite fan theories is that the authors did not name the ship after the horse from don quixote directly. There is a Rush song called Cygnus X-1 that’s basically a space opera and the ship in that song is called the Rocinate, and one of the authors of The Expanse is a huge rush fan. So in my mind that is where the ships name comes from.
Wasn’t the expanse loosely based on a play by post RPG game the author was running? Maybe the name came from that? Isn’t that also why Shed was killed off, the player couldn’t play anymore.
For me it’s because of One Piece
For me it’s “An Animated Description of Mr. Maps” by The Books.
What about John Steinbeck? Travels with Charley.
I only know it because of Limbus Company XD
For me, the problem with “Rocinante” is I don’t know how to pronounce it. So, while reading, I’d skip past it, recognizing that it’s the horse, but not parsing it as a word.
If asked that question, I’d need to explain that, but I’d stumble over the word.
If a book has too many oddly (to me) spelled names, I’ll skip it for this reason. Apostrophes in the middle and no vowels, and I’m not going to read your book.
For me, the problem with “Rocinante” is I don’t know how to pronounce it.
If you’re using a European language, you’re pronouncing it correctly, or close enough.
If your only contact with English is the written word, I guess it depends on what languages you’re familiar with. If you’re using AI / translation software, just ask it to read it to you. Maybe it’ll get it right. Or not. Who can tell with those things.
Spanish is incredibly easy to pronounce though? There are only a couple things different than English and none of those differences are relevant for Rocinante. It’s also consistent in pronunciation, unlike English.
what’s it like being a stubborn dumbass?
Ro Cin An Te
Roh sin ahn the
Rocinante
it’s not hard, they are just american.
I mean, me too…
Why would you make it a ‘th’ at the end??
Barthelona.
Autocorrect is a motherfucker
The weird ‘th’ handling of ‘c’ isn’t just a Catalan thing? Is that all of Spain? I know I’m biased as a North American, but preference for Mexican Spanish.
that is why the Barthelona thing is so pedantic. In Catalan is pronounced more like “barsalona”
The th pronunciation is Spanish.
In Catalan c before e or i is pronounced like a hard s.
Oh, thanks for the clarification!
I have no idea about ‘c’ becoming ‘th’. I was referring to the ‘t’ at the end that the above comment made ‘the’ when breaking it down, which they have mentioned in a reply was an auto-correct error.
The Spanish I know is not generally NA influenced.
Ah, I guess they had fixed the autocorrect by the time I saw it.
Apparently it is most, but not quite all, of of Spain that does the ‘th’ business… Which makes me wonder if the horse’s name should use the ‘th’ sound: https://youtube.com/shorts/dxBoVaOuw4Q?is=uFdY_uC6q6AjdcDF
It’s the Spaniard pronunciation. Virtually everyone else would pronounce it as “see”.
Thin, not sin.
Ro as in rod. Thin as in, well, thin. An as in ant. Te as in tent.
So you are saying it’s
raa - thin - an - teh??That’s wild… I’m convinced you are not pronouncing ‘ant’ or ‘tent’ “correctly” for those to be your suggestions…
They’re right, afaik. An as in land, te as in test.
Hm… Ro as in Ross…? The rest is the correct pronunciation, yes.
Maybe, I don’t know… an as in anvil and te as in tenant…? English, being several unrelated languages in a trenchcoat, can be a bit weird, and pronunciation varies excessively with dialects…
The vowels in Castilian (aka Spanish outside of Spain and other Castilian speaking countries) are very simple, five vowels, five sounds, pronounced more or less as they would have been in Latin.
C is pronounced like a k or a hard z, never as an s (except in some dialects).
Rocinante. From rocín and antes, for he was a rocín (old horse) before being Quijote’s steed (also during, but the old man wasn’t all there).
That’s a shitty question though. Totally irrelevant to the meat of the story, and definitely not a proof someone read the whole thing and thought about it.
Welcome to the school system
Questions like that are good to know if somebody read the thing. You don’t get details in resumes.
No, it isn’t.
Most people will not retain the name of an animal that doesn’t speak. The horse has zero impact on the story, and only serves as a piece of Quixote’ personality signifiers
I would say Rocinante helps early in the story, with understanding the depth of Quixote’s delusion.
Whilst in reality Rocinante is an old workhorse; in the delusion of Don Quixote, Rocinante is a grand charger fit for a knight of the highest order.
Helping to illustrate the core of the story; Don Quixote is applying a veneer of importance and significance over the top of reality. Rocinante is a reflection of the Don himself.
I agree with the role Rocinante plays for sure.
I just don’t think that makes the name of the horse a good question. It’s like asking the name of John Wick’s dog. The whole movie hinges on the dog, but what name it has is irrelevant.
The point of reading something like Don Quixote isn’t the names. Even Pancho’s name is barely important. Hell, I’d even argue that the fact we’re talking about Don Quixote rather than Alonso Quixano even illustrates that names aren’t exactly the prime bit of information that matters.
Now, it is hard to discuss the story without factoring in name changes. Aldonza/Dulcinea in specific is maybe the biggest symbol of what the Don is experiencing, and the underlying theme of the story. But the specific names? It’s just a bad question for a high school English teacher to ask a student.
My reasoning is that, no matter what else is retained, names only serve as a point of reference in damn near all literature. When an early exposure to old school, classical literature is happening, the student is going to already be learning three or four things at once, and memorizing the name of a non dialogue character doesn’t serve do achieve that learning, or even test how much that student retained.
You’ve got them trying to learn how to read critically, how to read archaic styles, how to retain important factors, and how to express what they’ve picked up. The name of an animal that’s essentially stage dressing akin to the sword or armor? That’s entirely the wrong question.
What would be a good one is, “what does Quixote’s horse symbolize?” Or even, “what do you think about his horse?”. Both would get the student thinking rather than trying to just pull up a word that’s arbitrary.
What would be a good one is, “what does Quixote’s horse symbolize?” Or even, “what do you think about his horse?”. Both would get the student thinking rather than trying to just pull up a word that’s arbitrary.
That is a great point.
Significantly better questions; than a name.
I read that as house and was confused by the comments for a while
Rocinante
That’s one badass horse right there
It’s pronounced legitimate salvage
I only know this because of The Expanse.
Beltalowda!
Hhnnggg the cultural depiction of belters is the greatest in any scifi everAAAAAAHHHH
I only know the name of the ship from Moby Dick from MGS V.
The guy from One Piece?
I never read the book, and I knew this somehow
On pizza?
Wasn’t it a donkey? I think it was named Rocinante? Idk, I read it like 16 years ago.
Edit post-Wikipedia: it was a workhorse, not a donkey, but I nailed the name. I’ve wondered in the past if Geralt’s horse Roach in The Witcher was a nod to Rocinante
I for some reason thought Don Quixote rode a donkey too… Where’d that come from?
I think his “squire” had one, so maybe they get conflated XD
Sancho Panza rode the donkey, Dapple. Though Don Quixote does “ride” the donkey a few times. Rocinante is his usual mount.
Kind of, maybe? But probably not.
In the original, Geralt’s horse’s name is “Płotka” - has technically the same meaning as Roach (a small, cheap kind of fish), but the term is also sometimes used for easy, inconsequential and irrelevant things.
Good to know! It’d be a cool reference, but I guess it wouldn’t really fit with Geralt’s character. He’s pretty far off from Don Quixote XD
The names of the 3 musketeers regularly come up in crosswords and no matter how many times I see it I can’t remember one of the 4. There’s Porthos, Athos, and I believe D’Artagnan was the one who joined later. Doesn’t help that their names sound vaguely like the 3 fates: Atropos, Clotho, and Lachesis.
Aramis is the one you’re missing, and he’s also the one I always forget. I can remember porthos and athos because they sound similar, and d’artagnan was the name of the company my old job used for some supplies, but Aramis is too easy a name to forget.
Maybe both of you guys issue is that you think of Porthos first, Athos, Porthos, Aramis is burned in to my mind, never read any book about musketeers either and I am terrible with names
Same experience with a really old German book. He wanted to know the color of the hat one of the side characters was wearing. I had no clue, after investing so much time into trying to understand it. That kinda made me give up - why try to participate when the outcome is the same as if I didn’t?
this entire thread is full of dumb takes but this is one of the dumbest
only remember the name because of The Expanse
But if you pronounce it like the show, every Spanish speaker has the right to whoop your ass just once
when i moved to austin and everyone was pronouncing guadalupe “guadaloop” and looking at me funny for pronouncing it guadalupe, i got murder eyes for like a month.
I’m going to need reports on how you say Koenig and Mueller too. As you are quite aware, moving to Austin requires multi-factor identification. /s
Kernig and Myooler. Isn’t that how everyone pronounces those?
the german way unless it’s an american name, in which case i gotta get damn verification
I’m sorry sir, but you’re going to have to move. /s
Kay-nig
Muh-ler
Guada-loopThey’re old codes, but they still check out.
i did move, i’ve been back in california for over a decade
i lived in a since-gentrified apartment complex on may-ner down from the amy’s
like fuck texas, that one was English
and i refuse to pronounce it Kaynig. Kenig is the furthest i’ll go
you have a favorite out in Lockhart?
Thank you for visiting Austin, the live music capital of the world. We apologize if the rest of Texas disturbed you during your stay, and we thank you for your patience with this matter as we are still researching dimensional translocation possibilities. As you are a valued Californian, we would like to ask you to please take 5 minutes out of your day to go online and recall all the robotaxi’s y’all sent us. Keep it weird, and come back soon.
~Come back soon is an invitation for a vacation not to exceed two weeks. Buying real estate to move your podcast offices to is strictly prohibited. Fans of Joe Rogan’s comedy are discouraged to apply.~
laughs in Baaathelona
If that principle applied throughout history, anglophones would have evolved either an armored ass or no ass at all. I believe they are pathologically incapable of grasping the phonology of foreign languages. Just ask any native English speaker the name of the Soviet Union’s general secretary that succeeded Stalin and preceded Brezhnev… realistically, nine out of ten will have no idea, and the remaining one will say he was some “cruise chef”.
As a linguaphile, I’ve always tried to pronounce words from other languages as correctly as possible. People tend to think that makes me weird.
Xenophobes think I’m being a snob, and “inclusive” people think I’m mocking the language or making some offensive joke or something. Literally the only people who don’t get upset about it are the ones who speak whatever language it is.
Literally the only people who don’t get upset about it are the ones who speak whatever language it is.
It depends on the exact word and context, like if you go to Japan and say Hay mmmburrrgurrrr をいただきたいです, it sounds so bad.
I’m trying to figure out what that’s even supposed to say. “Mmmburrrgurrrr” doesn’t sound like any japanese words I know.
“Hay” I’m guessing is supposed to be “Hai,” although if you pronounce it like “hay” then you’re going to stand out as an ignorant foreigner.
As for 「おいただきたいです」、well that’s just phrased awkwardly. It sounds too formal and almost mocking. The issue isn’t pronouncing it correctly. It’s like saying 「申しわけありません」 when 「ごめんなさい」 would do.
My point wasn’t about phrasing things weird or being too formal, it was about pronunciation. Like saying 「ありがとうございます」 instead of “uhragado guhzaimasoo”
It’s over-emphasizing the non-japanese sounds in “hamburger”; the point is that there are rules for loan words in any language and it sounds awkward if you break them.
Oh, I thought we were talking about anglophones pronouncing non-english words, not the other way around.
Japanese gets a pass on its loanwords because the language doesn’t have the letters to pronounce a lot of words from other languages. It does the best it can. I don’t know many English speakers who pronounce Llewellyn the Welsh way…
But if you’re ordering a hamburger in Japan, there’s probably already something wrong with you anyway. Unless it’s at Gasto. In that case, enjoy your ハンバーグ.
Step 1: Seek to prove that anglophones can’t pronounce foreign words.
Step 2: Ask a history question that has less to do with pronunciation than it does with an awareness of political events that happened on the other side of the globe, likely before the respondent was born.
Step 3: Ignore that even the people who were alive in that time were likely only getting their pronunciation from whoever was anchoring the news and may be blameless for only hearing an incorrect pronunciation.
Step 4: Feel smug, I guess.
Is this not a trick question?
Maybe I’m mistaken but didn’t he ride a donkey not a horse?
Sancho Panza (his servant) rides the donkey.
Ay that’s it. I was mistaken. His sidekick rode the donkey not Don himself
donkey hot
Donkey hot tea 🤭
Rocinante is, as his name states, a rocín (an old horse)
I never actually read the book I just remember his whole thing was riding a donkey instead of a horse so I was confused
Anon should be disappointed in their teacher, honestly.
Are we supposed to say “ask me a harder question” in this situation?
