Fake - invents time machine
Gay - america goes both ways
Checks out
We like the 'text
Yeah this is the Hollywood version of time travel but in the real world that’s not how things work.
Adolf Hitler didn’t invent Nazism, any more than Donald Trump invented MAGA, they were just two individuals who were the right moment in history to take the opportunity, have they never existed someone else would have done it, possibly later on, but it would still happened.
Nazism for example came out of frustrations with the rest of Europe over the treaty of Versailles. If you want to prevent World War 2 it isn’t enough to kill Hitler, you have to first prevent World War 1, in order to prevent World War 1 you really have to prevent all the stupid little wars that predated it. The number of people you would have to kill in order to prevent Nazis is enormous, probably in the thousands. It’s not one easily removable Nexus point
You claim to know how time travel works in the real world?
Don’t believe you until you show me your time machine.
There’s only one solution to time travel paradoxes that resolves all of them, makes some kind of sense, and doesn’t require generating an infinite number of additional versions of the universe - single coherent timeline. The universe as it is now is the sum total result of all time travel that will ever have happened to a point in time before the present. You can’t go back in time and kill Hitler because you didn’t, which means any attempt you might have made to do so clearly failed. Likewise for the grandfather paradox, if you go back in time to kill your grandfather, you already failed in your mission.
Awful views aside, one of the things I gave JKR credit for was doing a decent job of adopting this model of time travel in Prisoner of Azkaban. Then she threw that out the window for Cursed Child because she’s terrible at any kind of world building consistency.
- Cursed child wasn’t written by Rowling.
- She’s already had all the accolades she deserves. Insult her twice for every compliment, the TERF fuck that she is.
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I know how history works. I don’t need a time machine to know that a country in economic dire straits will find someone to blame. I just need to look at contemporary US politics. If you’re ever in doubt start a war, preferably somewhere in poverty so you don’t get your asses handed to you, inevitably miscalculate, and get said ass handed to you. Wait 20 years and then do the same thing all over again.
No, someone else might have done it. There is literally no way to know.
We kind of do know though. Hitler latched onto a movement that already existed he didn’t create it, the world is full of potential leaders they just need a cause. I’m so someone would have been found.
Fascism existed in Europe, but Hitler did invent the Nazi Party.
Regardless, no, we do not know. Why not just say it’s likely or something? You’re undermining your own argument.
No, that dude knows definitively. They went back in time and killed a different Nazi baby that tried to take over the world, and came back just to find out about this Hitler guy that everyone wants dead.
Because most people don’t really give two shits about the arbitrary semantics of casual arguments.
I mostly agree but as a counterpoint, there have been a good handful of times in the Cold War where a single person had to choose whether to launch the nukes based on false positives, and simply chose not to.
If there was any evidence for time travel, it would be the fact that no nukes were fired during the Cold War due to a lot of close calls. Honestly the fact no nukes have ever been used in a conflict after Hiroshima and Nagasaki is also improbable.
Given how often that has happened, I think it’s just people in general don’t want to be responsible for wiping out humanity.
Though I do wonder what kind of cascading effects there would be to eliminating Mussolini from history.
Perhaps if one went all the way back to our ancestors and murdered a perfectly innocent fish.
preventing ww1 is like preventing nuclear armament - you’d have to convince all the major powers to renegotiate all of their treaties and alliances and make them trust each other by being more vulnerable.
You couldn’t do that today, let alone 120 years ago.
Considering that all the major nations upper classes where willing to send their young over the top to get a few inches of french soil I would say it would take a lot of talk to get them to calm down. Some countries where willing to go to war because they didn’t want left out. It was also an age of honour and national glory so people are high off nationalism and the next fix is going out for a good fight.
Yeah but I’m still gonna kill Hitler, buddy boy.
Perhaps the real infanticide is the friends we made along the way
US stays isolationist
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US takes Canada
Which one is it?
If WWII never happened, the US never would have built up bases all over the world nor would they have been able to get the head start on pushing American manufacturing standards as ISO standards (due to being physically removed from the conflict in Europe). In that case, the US never sees the boom that it did from those situations, and never would have nearly as much economic, military, or social power as it did from being involved in the war.
How they would manage to take over all of north and south America in that situation is beyond me. Clearly written by someone who believes in American exceptionalism
That also means that Ford never rises to the global powerhouse it is, which means that the Phillips screw head doesn’t proliferate.
Excuse me, I have a time machine to build.
Monkey’s Paw Time Machine: Slotted screws becomes the standard instead.
Just tell the people to stop using them outside of aviation!
Also, scientific papers would be as likely to be published in German or French as in English, and when computers appear, technical terms and keywords would probably not be in American English. This universe’s equivalent of FORTRAN or the UNIX command line may be based on German grammar.
US likely would have had a civil war without WW2
Good point.
I heard a podcast recently (99% invisible) that talked about how the “60 degree” screw became standard in the world. Before that, there were many competing types of screw, which meant that there were all kinds of incompatibilities.
What they mentioned only in passing was that the British Empire already had a standard at 55 degrees. At that point, the British empire was huge. The smart thing to do would have been to simply adopt the British standard and make it the worldwide standard. Instead, the US forced the rest of the world, including the whole British Empire to adopt the new standard.
I imagine if the US hadn’t entered WWII the world might be using German standards, or it might be using British Empire standards, or maybe even Soviet standards, but it definitely wouldn’t be using American standards.
Forced is kind of a strong word. The US was the first to a strong independent standardization system, even though other countries had some individual standards. The US system was effectively the inspiration for ISO in the first place, as Hoover started the US system in the 30s.
The catalyst was that American manufacturing was removed from the conflict, so the US was in the best position to become a world supplier of anything it could manufacture. Especially arms and planes etc. Everyone knew what a pain in the ass sharing arms and vehicles during WWI had been because of the lack of standardized parts, so the allies were already primed to pick a standard either way. The reason the US became the standard is because situationally it became the largest supplier of goods, and also because it had already spent thousands of hours more time on committees to decide why its standards should be what they were. Other countries hadnt done much of that legwork, nor were they risk free areas to produce things in
Bonus cat fact: Hoover had a cat that he named “Mr. Cat”
LOL, America’s Hat doesn’t count as a real separate country, silly!
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(The sentiment expressed above is in furtherance of a bit and does not reflect the actual opinion of the commenter.)
You’d be better off either convincing allied nations to provide aid to Germany after WW1, or befriending Hitler and convincing him it has nothing to do with Jewish people.
If successful they’ll be no Israel Palestine conflict.
Hello, is this England? Yes, it’s me, a time traveler. Would you be terribly put off if I asked you to be friends with Germany? I know they’ve been quite cantankerous of late, but I promise it’s in the best interest of all parties for you two to get along. Cheerio!
Now, where did I put the phone numbers for France and Belgium…
Genau, wäre vielleicht nicht verkehrt, wenn wir alle Deutsch sprechen würden :)
That would be more likely if the US stayed out too long and let Nazis better entrench themselves across Europe.
See: The Man in the High Castle
The Great Depression was going to come along and end up affecting Germany
Convincing the allies to be sympathetic to Germany after WWI would be really hard. While the US had Wilson trying to establish cooperation with the League of Nations, he had to compromise with others who wanted more punitive measures. France had long-standing ire with them over Alsace-Lorraine and wanted them permanently crippled, since their shared border made them a looming threat in the future. They also suffered a lot of damage and needed aid themselves. Britain’s attitude was kind of in between. Plenty of people guessed the treaty could lead to another war in the future, but many were too angry to really care. So we got stuff like the war guilt clause.
A professor in college told me Hitler went from about the normal amount of racist to turbo racist after having some chemicals leak into his brain near the end of WWI. So Hitler’s racism might have been a symptom of actual brain damage. Either way, racism and conspiracies don’t tend to come from a rational position so it is very hard to pull someone out of them with reason.
I doubt Israel would exist without Hitler but there would still likely be some conflict in the region. Britain made the Balfour Declaration before WWI had even ended and the collapse of the Ottomans Empire that controlled the region left it unstable and in British control. They would have supported the jewish minority in the region even without the Holocaust available to help them justify creating a new state.
I mean, there’d also be no Israel. The creation of Mandatory Palestine, which would go on to be Israel, was just the British answer to the “Jewish question” after WW1, if you can just convince the Brits to be chill you can prevent a lot of atrocities
Literally 1984!
> no red alert timeline
Also now no-one knows who the hell Hitler is and you’re just some crazy asshole who killed a baby for no apparent reason.
You were supposed to go back in time and kill Hans Sprechter.
That was a very very very interesting thought experiment and a very satisfying explanation for questions like “why did God create Hitler,” if you’re religious. Truly we cannot decipher the tapestry of history except for from the other side.
EDIT: while it’s true that someone else would have taken Hitler’s place, it’s clear that the premise of this greentext is actually “what if Nazi Germany never formed”
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I have you labeled as a scumbag from almost a year back.
Imagine running into you again and you live up to the moniker.
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