Why do doctors have to listen to parents? If a parent abuses a child the child gets taken away but if he abuses a baby somehow it’s ok?
To a degree, parents have the right to reject medical treatment for a child. There must be an immediate threat to the child’s life or health to ignore their refusal. A preventative vitamin shot is not such a case. Superseding the parents’ wishes here would require a court order.
Tell that to the bloodless babies
This is the fault of the US healthcare system and not necessarily the parents. I’ve had two kids in American hospitals and it was the single most exhausting, tortuous experience of my life each time. They don’t let you rest, so your decision making is impacted, then they have over 30 injections they want to give your newborn and God forbid you want to discuss any of them, you must be an anti-science monster if you dare to question a single one. If the practitioners can’t express plainly what is necessary and what is superfluous? Okay so the newborn baby needs a vitamin K injection, a vitamin their body will make on its own in a few days, to stop brain bleeds? And why is my newborn at risk of a brain bleed? Something to do with the constant stream of injections you’re giving them? Or maybe the cuts? Oh because of the jaundice? Well if you would allow parents to get their children any kind of natural light maybe that wouldn’t be an issue, but instead we’re being held hostage here until you are satisfied that you’ve solved every issue you create.
You can all sit behind your keyboards judging the sleep deprived new parents who are being misled and taken advantage of by the healthcare industry, and act like they don’t deserve to procreate, but like any other issue there is a lot more nuance to the problem than just “American dumb”
party of pro-life?
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This is how bad the wider world of journalism has got, that having a human write a synopsis is now seen as bragging rights.
yea because it was mostly clickbait(which buzzfeed pioneered) and now AI generated.
Oral vitamin K1 is almost as effective as injected K1, and most countries seem to offer it orally as an alternative to injected. Oral is pretty much just as effective as injected. 1, 2
The article doesn’t mention oral. Is it still not approved in the US? (It’s the same formulation as that injected).
It’s very cheap. In Australia it costs ~9AUD (~7USD) for a single dose vial with oral syringe without subsidies.
We personally don’t know the semantics as to why it’s not approved orally, however regardless of it being a shot or a drug shouldn’t matter if it’s gonna save the baby in the end.
injected likely gives an immediate effect and likely helps bypass people who cant absorb K1 naturally.
The babies who are dying are almost exclusively from MAGA/MAHA families, so I don’t really see the problem. They are simply fulfilling their Darwinian Imperative, through their particular application of their Constitutional Free-Dumbs.
God Bless MAGAmerica.
…and nothing of value was lost
To the 2 dudes above me, wtf?
I used to feel this was a tragedy. Now I feel that those parents aren’t intelligent enough to have children. They deserve what they got. The child died but it was probably going to of something else stupid at some point anyway. A century ago, before we had all the modern medical procedures, a large percentage of children didn’t make it to adulthood. That is going to be the new norm for the parents who know better than “the elites”.
On the other hand, some supposedly intelligent people are so doubtful of the world that they become hesitant at bringing a child in.
“I’m gonna fuck all y’all!”
Be careful. “Stupid people shouldn’t procreate” sounds like a good idea until the state deems you too stupid to deserve life. That’s eugenics. And it never stops with the people you think deserve it.
Its not eugenics it’s just a reversion to natural pressures. Eugenics would imply that there is an artificial pressure causing the deaths.
The fact is most of us would likely not be here if not for modern medicine.
I’m not saying this child died due to eugenics. I’m saying that calling situations like this fine because the parents “deserve it” for being stupid is eugenicist thinking. It is justifying the child’s death because the parents are stupid and shouldn’t procreate anyway. Why not? Inferior genetics?
The child deserved to live in a world where even with stupid parents, they get adequate modern healthcare and can thrive. Instead they died, and that’s horrible, and saying “it’s fine because the parents were stupid” is horrible.
That means stupid people would have to run the State and make those rules.
Well, shit…
Negligent homicide
post-birth abortion.
Less republicans
So when do they arrest the parents for murder like they would a woman who had a miscsrriage?
What do you expect them to do? The umbilical was already cut, so they don’t care anymore.
Oh you know that only applies to the mothers and only before a successful birth because cruelty and hatred toward women is the point.
Also they don’t care about people once they’re born
This is the correct answer.
Arrest them? Its not like they let their kid walk a block to the store on their own. /s
Personal responsibility? Straight to jail. (Applies only to lefty commie pinko lib extremist Marxist Leninist terrorists)
depends on the state law.
basically, you have to prove negligence leading to harm, and if it’s a jury case, the jury is going to decide that.
basically, you have to prove negligence leading to harm, and if it’s a jury case, the jury is going to decide that.
That’s exactly what they are doing clear as day
We saved another babeee!
Charge the parents with first degree murder.
Negligent homicide. They didn’t plan to kill their kids, they did it accidentally by virtue of their ignorance and ego.
They deliberately denied a lifesaving medical procedure, that’s first fucking degree murder.
that isnt murder lol, murder is with intention to kill. its negligence/abuse. negligent homicide is also a thing.
Mens rei is a thing. For murder you need to prove they intended the result, not just that they intended the action.
That’s why charges like negligent homicide exist.
They won’t stop doing it if they don’t suffer real consequences. Murder 1, life in prison.
…do you think a negligent homicide verdict doesn’t have consequences?
Okay, here, I looked up the specifics. In Illinois, where I live, negligent homicide is a Class 2 Felony, with a maximum of 14 or 28 years, depending on case details. Source.
1st Degree Murder is 60 years. Source.
I’m not a lawyer, but instead a layman. That said, I argue that based on the law as cited, the parents had no lawful justification, and that their actions carried a high likelihood of death. Obviously a lawyer making such an argument in court would by necessity have to back that up, especially if they trotted out religious nonsense as a “lawful justification,” but that’s what they get paid for.
A person who kills an individual without lawful justification commits first degree murder if, in performing the acts which cause the death: (2) he or she knows that such acts create a strong probability of death or great bodily harm to that individual or another;
For the (3)/onward, was there an “and” used as the conjunction or an “or”?
I have four natural born kids and all of them had their Vitamin K shots, and I would do it again in a heartbeat. I trust my doctors’ recommendations on what course of action is best, knowing that there are risks and benefits to any medical treatment, and we do these treatments because the benefits outweigh the risks.
With that said, the article doesn’t mention that the risk of the vitamin K shot is that the newborn’s bilirubin levels can be raised far enough that they have to be treated for it. One of my daughters had to be blindfolded and put under a very bright blue light for several hours or maybe it was overnight, which is not a nice thing to see your newborn go through.
But it is surely better than seeing them bleed to death.
One of my daughters had to be blindfolded and put under a very bright blue light for several hours or maybe it was overnight, which is not a nice thing to see your newborn go through.
Completely painless and done every single day in any NICU.
Isn’t this for Jaundice? Or just happens to be the same cure? Anyway my baby went through the blue light special for jaundice - the worst part was having to be in the hospital longer
The blue light turns breaks down bilirubin as livers not yet active in some newborns to do this. It’s an amazing therapy without drugs.
High bilirubin levels are the indicator for jaundice, so yeah, same thing
An HHS spokesperson did not respond to questions but in an email blamed the administration of former President Joe Biden for the rise in parents rejecting vitamin K shots. “Vitamin K at birth,” the spokesperson added, “remains the standard of care.”
For fuck’s sake. These assholes can’t even take responsibility for the results of what they’re spewing.
Do you have a Justin Trudeau version for Canada.
Sorry, I was too busy being jealous of how much better he was than our president
Seriously, wtf was wrong with that guy?
“party of personal responsibility”
It’s all projection.
Seriously!!!
Remember when most of their grievances were about an overreaching government that dictated how they lived their lives? Now that their party is in power that’s all they want to fucking do to the rest of us.
How does ‘personal responsibility’ translate into ‘I don’t want this and you shouldn’t have it either’?
Why did Joe Biden eat all of the vitamin k?
At what point do we just turn it into the new “Thanks Obama” meme? I feel like at a certain point, embracing it as a joke is the only way to get them to stop using it as an excuse. Because as long as they can say it and be taken seriously, they’ll continue using it.
As far as I’m concerned “Thanks Obama” already captures it.
It’s wild how many parents are terrified of a vitamin shot but completely comfortable trusting random wellness influencers with zero medical background. And the really tragic part is that newborns don’t exactly get a second chance if the gamble goes wrong.
China recently decimated their (previously thriving) influencer ecosystem, simply by requiring that health influencers have documented health education, financial influencers have finance education, etc… China implemented the rule, and immediately banned like ~95% of all their health influencers. The rule targets both individual influencers and the platforms that host them. And no platform wants to stick their neck out and eat fines for some random influencer. So influencers who didn’t have documented education got banned basically overnight.
IDK if China is really a great example here, considering how many Chinese doctors will still tell you that drinking cold water is bad for you, and garlic makes people horny.
they still do that, and using endangered animals and plants. one example is the cordyceps that affect caterpillars in the steppes, they harvested so much that it so much that they couldnt sustain the demand, because its a complex lifecycle for the fungi and caterpillar.
That’s the funny thing about medicine… Lots of medical advice is largely determined by where you live. In America, doctors tell pregnant women to avoid eating too much fish. In Japan, doctors tell pregnant women to eat more fish.
Well, there is also a huge quality difference between the average fish you can buy in the states compared to Japan
japan also pretty decimated thier own native fisheries
Its also which kind of fish iirc prey fish accumulate heavy metals which matters for an embroy…at least that’s the explanation i heard, therefore sushi no good because there will be salmon
in the midwest and conservatives is anti-vax, and chronic lyme obsession, and now ANTI-FLOURIDE.
We need this AND it will never happen here.
China is clearly winning at modern society. The US is an empire in decline and it’s becoming more clear by the day.
We so fucked.
also listeing to a QUCK DOCTOR, AND person with brainworms. they also would inject GLP-1 because, they look thinner with it.
Bro here on the local news during covid they’d interview idiots “im not trusting the government idk whats in that shot” and then they hit their gas station vape, amurica!
It’s literally because these people are manipulated by fear – influencers intentionally use emotionally loaded language while doctors very intentionally do not.
human beings are wired to trust other people’s confident bullshit.
far more than they trust something abstract like medical knowledge backed by scientific studies.
it’s not any different why the charming asshole narcissist is socially popular and the accurate nerdy scientist is seen as weird and anti-social.
That explains why I still see assholes with signs that support the pedo-in-chief, and have signs that are anti-Fauci. Also explains why Rand is trying to get Fauci indicted on bullshit charges.
What a shitty world.
Yeah, that reminds me of times of days past when people would just be chatting about how this or that food is bad for you… As we rail another line of cocaine… Like what do you care about healthy?
