cross-posted from: https://piefed.zip/c/news/p/1395876/streamer-troll-johnny-somali-found-guilty-on-all-counts-sentenced-to-south-korean-prison-l
Ramsey Khalid Ismael — better known as Johnny Somali, the infamous American streamer arrested in Japan, Israel, and South Korea for his provocative behavior — has been imprisoned in South Korea.
I have to agree with the last guy. Ideal world, to me, means people can get the support they need to resolve their issues. Ideal isn’t utopia, it’s just as good as we should be doing as a society.
I also think people should get help to resolve their issues.
This guy’s issue is that he’s just an asshole that never faced any real consequences for his actions and therefore thinks it’s ok to go and fuck with people.
This wasn’t his first rodeo. Japan gave him a slap on the wrist and deported him. Clearly it wasn’t enough.
I don’t think expecting people to behave themselves whilst traveling is approaching utopia. That’s just common decency.
Instead of prison where we know people commonly experience rape, abuse, neglect, and forced labor — imagine he was forced to live in some new branch of punitive enforcement that sits between prison and mental asylum. A place where he’s forced to sit with counselors, therapists, psychologists, psychiatrists… imagine he’s treated with dignity as a human, like something is clearly wrong with him, and like we can actually help solve that problem directly for him. He could be sentenced to this place for something like “at most 2 years, unless the authority believes he’s ready earlier.” It’s like a conversion camp, but to help immoral people understand why they might want to act morally within society. Wouldn’t that be a little more ideal than something like prison?
Edit: could even follow-up release with required training for personal finance, hospitality, and the like… to include community service hours and required check-in with a probation officer that works with mental health professionals.
You seem to be under the impression that he’s anything other than just a giant asshole. He walks around streaming himself disturbing and fucking with strangers. He know his actions are wrong. He knows he’s being an asshole. He has admitted as much with no shame. He doesn’t care.
I don’t think what you described would be more ideal than prison. I think prison is exactly the place that was constructed just for cases like his. Maybe this time he will learn.
And hopefully others will think twice before trying to be a copycat
Yeah, actually. I don’t believe in essences. Under my personal philosophy, we humans are more like information perturbation machines with extreme sensitivity to initial conditions. It’s close to saying you aren’t anything except the uniquely weighted combination of all your prior experiences, having been processed through the human scope of awareness and memory (if distinguishing the two is even fair here).
That said, nobody is nothing except “just a giant asshole.” I mean that physically, you can’t. You’re stuck in a constant state of becoming something, not being something, which is a necessary consequence of having your human awareness.
The boys deviance from our expectations has to do with his upbringing. We should be able to use specialist services to counterweight that upbringing. And I’d go as far to say, we really should be taking this approach to punishment. Because our current version of just hiding them away in an isolated brick room where nobody except similar deviants and Correction Officers can reach them… that in particular is a rather barbaric approach, in my opinion.
And what about being “constructed just for cases like this” means it was the right approach? The concentration camps in the holocaust were also constructed for purpose, yet I hope you wouldn’t use the same argument for those.
Yeah well he is in a constant state of becoming an even bigger asshole.
It’s sounds like a beautiful philosophy you have. But it’s just not applicable to how the world looks like.
And no. I would not use the same argument for fucking nazi concentration camps. Which is a really dumb strawman but you know what. Just for you.
They were not constructed to punish and reform. They were constructed to murder people. People whose only crime was not being “German”.
You think they’re similar in any way to a South Korean prison? If not, why even being it up?
I not once suggested the prison was similar to a concentration camp in content. That’s the strawman argument. I suggested your justification wasn’t justifiable, and offered a clear example as to how. What something is built for hardly has any capacity to say whether it’s the right choice or not.
I beg to differ. My philosophy is about what we are deep down. You can’t escape what you are deep down. To me, it looks like the world reflects my philosophy a lot more fundamentally than any other claim I’ve seen here.
Yeah and if you think prison resolves that, you’re doing a lot of wishful thinking.
So if we can’t escape what we are deep down, and plenty of people are monsters deep down. Real assholes that enjoys fucking with others for their own entertainment. Then locking them up must be the optimal solution for everyone else’s safety.
You just said it yourself no? Can’t change what they are. Which is a contradiction to what your said earlier about no one being who they were, but who they’re becoming.
So, can we become something else, or can we not escape who we are? Which one is it?
I don’t think that. I have no idea if it’s going to resolve it or not. Quite frankly I don’t care. You can’t help someone that doesn’t want to be helped. What I do know, is that prison is keeping him out of civilised society. Where he belongs.
You offered no example at all as to how my justifications are out aren’t justifiable. You asked if I would use the same argument on concentration camps because they were built for a reason to. Suggesting that I seem to think just because something is made for a reason it is inherently justified. That’s the strawman. You take my words and try to put them into your own irrelevant context about actual nazi concentration camps.
Brother, you completely take what I say out of context. You redefine what I mean by “deep down,” you suggest that Im proposing strawman arguments while doing exactly that yourself, … this is exhausting. Our conversation isn’t productive and I’m done trying. Have a good day.