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    I’m pretty sure he is using ICE to trigger a violent response from the population so it “justifies” the use of the military against the population. To him, it hasn’t gone far enough because he hasn’t gotten that violent response yet.

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      This is what I really don’t understand. So the game plan is to use a violent response as an excuse to use a violent response?

      At this point we’re looking at 10s of thousands if not 100s of people kidnapped, and we’re all doing nothing under this pretext. Is this message from the opposition?

      The thing were all forgetting is that we don’t have to fight ice, we just have to fight billionaires and their security. The sooner we understand that, the sooner we can all sleep without worry

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        It’s a catch-22. If people fight back, Trump & Co steam roll us with the military to quell “the violent left.” As people have remained relatively non-violent, the state keeps upping the ante in hopes that the people respond violently, which in turn “justifies” a violent course of action from the fed. They’re only really heavily antagonizing blue cities.

        The purpose of all this is to extinguish opposition in order to transform the US into some bastardized rosey view of the 50s where the majority of people are white Christians, where men are in charge and women keep quiet, and that they can control the economy from on high to further enrich “the right people” while keeping the poors at bay. This is all entirely spelled out in Project 2025. They’re trying to throttle anyone not in 100℅ agreement with their view of the right America.

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          I get all that.

          They’ve already convinced the right, they don’t need this show for the right. They need this show for us, which they won’t get. So who’s it for?

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            If I had to guess, to keep rallying their base. They still need continued support from at least a portion of the country to keep us fighting amongst ourselves. Once they have total control, they’ll cast them aside.

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            The left might protest peacefully but the right might not (ie: J6). When this happens the left will be blamed and shown as example, when really it’ll be one of their own people. They’re doing it cus it’s making them money.

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        The game plan is to get a violent response from the proletariat to lock the country down into martial law, and rule by deadly force. He becomes king, and his billionaire donors get more money (especially from for-profit detention centers).

        He continues to either bring up, or gets asked about, the Insurrection Act. Problem is, he doesn’t have a legitimate reason to use it yet. Sure, he could probably imvoke it now since he has lawful immunity, but the optics wouldn’t align, so he has to help stoke the fire.

        The billionaires, meanwhile, have insulated themselves from wrongdoing by the grander populace, as they’ve benefitted from decades long propaganda about “earning” their wealth. Meanwhile having sufficient power to influence laws and regulations, while building their own “escape” plans (bunkers, foreign investments and properties, etc.). Not to mention, loyalist security forces, including the National Guard (a private donation paid their whole next paycheck).

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        I want the billionaires to go hide in their bunkers, so I can go around blocking all the air vents with cement.

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      Yeah, you guys should just wait around rather than provoke him. I’m sure common sense will intervene and he totally won’t keep escalating things the way he has continually been. Best to save any direct action until it’s DEFINITELY too late.

      Fucking clowns.

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    They planned this shit for decades. They know the psychology of all the players down to a T. All so some christo fascist can enslave us all in the name of Christianity while stealing all of our labor and resources.

    It’s insane that the dumbest among us could not see how voting for Trump three times would allow them to finish their plans: But we have to remember this Trumpers are racist idiots but also victims themselves. I don’t know how all this will end but I hope it can be done without more violence.

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    This regime sure is Fucking Around quite a bit huh, wonder what’s going to happen as a response?

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      Well SNAP just lapsed and Trump stated he would be slow to release anything from the emergency fund so whatever is going to happen, it’s likely happening soon

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        They better hope they have enough hard power for what they’re about to unleash because they really really do not want to find out what we would do to them if they lose

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        Not right now we shouldn’t. Right now, we lose. A lot can be done with a combination of passive resistance, the courts, and (yes) electoral politics. Meanwhile, a cultural backlash against the right is building fast. The fascists really are racing the clock to consolidate power, and it doesn’t look like they are gaining ground fast enough.

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          I do think there’s something to this. The big problem is that a bunch of people are being hurt right now while we wait for things to work out. We’ve been forced to do this the hard and slow way due to decades of dismantling of working class power in America.

          Fascism can’t ever work. The only question is how much damage it does until it goes away.

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            I agree completely. I also won’t say there isn’t a worst case scenario where we end up looking a whole lot like Russia does right now for a good long time. I think it looks like we are dodging that path, but I don’t think we’ve made it yet.

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            Right or not, I don’t think anything is written in stone yet. I don’t think anybody has a reason to feel comfortable right now. Not the fascists, not the Democratic establishment, and certainly not progressives.

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    Trump wants riots in the streets so that he can declare martial law, suspend elections indefinitely and eventually create a ruling dynasty in his name

    Of course, he’s an idiot, so this plan is engineered by those behind the fat, orange cunt who stand to benefit financially

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    Yeah because Trump would rather have everyone shot instead of arrested and thrown in concentration camps. He would prefer the courts allow him to just murder us, which is about to happen in 2026 if he gets his way.

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      Nah, they want to fill their concentration camps so they have a source of slave labor. Killing immigrants while rounding them up defeats that purpose.

      Now protestors, on the other hand, are a different story.

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        I’m no Trump supporter (fuck the fat orange pedophile), but you shouldn’t accuse someone of dementia when you can’t even spell the word yourself. (Trump absolutely does have it, though.)

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          If I had to make a choice between not having dementia and having perfect spelling, the spelling would have to fall by the wayside, despite the annoyance that I’d have to put up with from punctilious knobheads who mistake ability to spell for intelligence.

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          You never know whether a stranger on the internet is dyslexic. It might be preferable to let a spelling error slide rather than attack someone for what might be a disability they can’t help. Plus there are plenty of people for whom English is not their first language. And then there are people who are just bad at spelling, but it doesn’t really matter.

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    The only difference between ICE and the SS / Gestapo is public executions. But I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what Donny means.

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    Why isn’t ICE furloughed during the shutdown? This is all stupid. I hate it here.

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      Same reason the BBB funded them by over $10,000 per undocumented ‘target’, making one of the most well-funded armies in the entire world.

      It’s not meant to operate as a deportation force, it is a paramilitary meant to serve the administration’s corrupt whim.

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        Same reason the BBB funded them […]

        It took me a second to get past reading that as the Better Business Bureau, and I was wondering what the hell they had to do with any of this.

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          It’s not 100% out of the realm of possibility. They’re a terrible organization that exists mostly to protect businesses who do shit work.

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            They are Yelp for Boomers. They have no official power.

            Source: I did agency and corporate SEO for 10 years.

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      Oh they are beyond just avoiding being furloughed. They are getting all their earlier unpaid checks plus all their overtime pay.

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    Traitorous fascist insists his fascist army hasn’t caused enough chaos yet. Vows to continue putting his boot on the neck of the average citizen and using more pressure this time.

    Fixed it for you.

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    He’s slinging his gob with all the hubris of a man that thinks his neck cannot be chopped or roped.

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      Maybe he knows it can be, and that’s why he keeps apparently trying to thicken his neck and disappear his chin.

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    What’s interesting is that they are bleeding supporters. Instead of the boiled frog, they’ve hit us with ice water. It got on everyone. Trump still needs to have supporters for him to be become king. He’s not there yet and he’s losing supporters and no kings seem to keep getting bigger.

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    Honestly I’m surprised it hasn’t gotten worse quicker was there any more info on that guy that was shooting at cars leaving one of the ice compounds?