“AI vegans”
ffs, just publish an article with a single clownemoji for the same effect.
The big corporations desperately want AI to be popular because they’ve thrown literally insane amounts of money at it and still don’t know how to monetize it.
There’s going to be a huge push to make it seem like everyone loves it and it’s weird not to use it constantly
It’s going to go horribly and come off like that “fellow kids” meme, exactly like this headline
I’m already seeing a surge of AI simp trolls on Lemmy in the last few days.
Ironically enough they’re the same trolls as the vegan drama.
They don’t care about the topic, they just want to troll and they’ve been up/device banned from all the major social media, so they’ll always be here
MBA dweebs running VC firms wanna desperately replace people with AI for short term profits.
This is it.
A good example were those Apple AI ads. So cringe. Google’s ads aren’t much better but at least Gemini works.
still don’t know how to monetize it.
They do know how to monetize it. API access generated $1Billion in 2023. There’s also huge R&D potential in fields like genetic research and medicine.
Profitability is another question though. Likely we’re waiting for advances in cold fusion or late stage renewable development for energy costs to go down enough.
They do know how to monetize it. API access generated $1Billion in 2023.
And all that $1B revenue cost them was a $5B loss! https://www.wheresyoured.at/howmuchmoney/
Yes my second paragraph alleged as much. Not that you read that far of course.
Ironically he could have asked AI to summarize it.
Thank you.
As much as I hate AI… I think I hate the people who hate AI more lol
AI having to wait on cold fusion for profitability is one of the funnier concepts I’ve heard today, thank you.
I know, I regularly sleep with one of the researchers involved with several similar pojects (aren’t I cool). Fascinating stuff though! Very much not comparable to commercial LLMs, though.
People pay for the “premium” because they believe the makers who said it can increase their profitability and make them money.
My employer keeps trying to shove it down our throats too.
They’re desperate to find anyway to make it reduce work, be cause they’ve already paid for it under the assumption it would let them cut staffing
Now they’re finding out they got swindled, do you think they’ll re-up on AI?
The AI companies offloaded how to monetize it to consumers and scared them into being left behind unless they discovered how to use it.
It’s a short term bubble.
AI in this form has been used for like 15 years, to generate trillions of dollars worth of value. I think you’re just talking specifically about ChatGPT and consumer-facing LLMs.
AI in this form has been used for like 15 years, to generate trillions of dollars worth of value
Suuuuuuuuuuure it has…
He’s probablly talking about shareholder “value”, AKA inflated stock prices, rather than actual value.
lol ok. I’ve literally done it. Please, go enlighten yourself on google.
“Enlighten yourself” you mean make your argument for you?
You do you bb. Keep believing whatever makes you feel best.
Sounds kinda like you’ve got nothing and you know it
It’s quite common for me to be annoyed, angry, or upset at a headline writer. Then there’s the feeling I got reading “Meet the AI vegans.”
Whole new level.
That’s because the author seems to be a journalism vegan, writing vegan and self-awareness vegan.
Its so wacky out there. When I read something like this I’m sure its The Onion. And its not. Then I read a headline about US politics and its totally believable , alas its The Onion.
I refuse to believe this title is anything other than engagement-bait, personally.
Seems to me you‘re a BS vegan.
Yeah, pretty disappointing to see from the Guardian.
This is such a stupid name for this.
Abstaining from a thing does not make one a vegan. That’s not how any of this works.
It’s like how they put the word gate after something to say that it is a scandal involving the former word.
Somesort of political scandal involving road maintenance? Oh yes well that’s roadgate then. Even though the Watergate scandal was in fact it scandal in the watergate hotel, rather than a scandal about water.
Someday we’ll have Gate gate, or maybe even another scandal at the Watergate complex, so Watergate gate.
I can’t wait!
Awe so the article author has a vendetta against vegans got it.
But it makes people come off as extremely annoying. So that’s working.
I mean, abstaining from animal products makes someone a vegan, right? If you abstain from AI products then it would follow that you’re an “AI vegan”.
It follows, but it is also feels like click bait.
A definition of vegan is:
A vegetarian who eats plant products only, especially one who uses no products derived from animals, as fur or leather.
There is an environmental parallel, and it made me read the article to see what they were on about – so I guess it worked.
To be clear, I am very pro environment (I live in it); I just feel like this is crossing the streams of related, but completely different movements, isn’t particularly helpful.
Abstaining from animal products is just vegetarian. Veganism requires an extremely strict adherence to a very specific set of rules concerning animals.
Vegetarians can eat cheese, which is an animal product.
Calling them after a maligned (if harmless) group seems like a choice to paint refusing to use AI as being annoying, preachy and scorn-worthy.
They seem very determined to pressure people into using AI regardless of it’s practicality, environmental impact, or anything. Fuck this shit.
There’s been recent pushes in that regard, investment in AI shit has been enormous but the financial payoff for anyone besides hardware manufacturers remains nonexistent. So investors and corporations have recently redoubled their efforts into trying to get everyone to use it in the hopes that this somehow will make them profitable.
yeah, this is 1000% deliberate manufacturing consent
“Have you ever been called an AI vegan?”
“No… Shit no! I believe saying something like that’d get your ass kicked!”
how to belittle and minimize a very serious thing: call any protesters of it a " ___ vegan"
It’s not cool to use “vegan” like this.
It’s like vegangate or something.
Got a good chuckle out of me tho
People just going about their business living their lives as they have for many years…
Silicon Valley: Hey fuck you. Also I came up with a dumb nickname for you.
“Newspaper which uses AI to write its articles concocts derogatory term for people who doesn’t use AI”
This makes about as much sense as calling Linux users “Windows vegans”.
Choosing to not use AI isn’t some wacky contrarian position, it’s a tame position that can easily be justified. (Don’t want to use AI? Then don’t.) If anything, trying to assert that constantly using AI for everything would be the new normal is the wacky position.
i wonder if they came up with such term to mock those who dont want to use ai and possibly actual vegans on the side.
They use to mock us with “Luddite” but the Technologists looked into that actual movement (rather than the caricature) and agreed, “yeah sure, like them”. That took the sting out of the pejorative, so they picked another mocked group to connect it with.
Maybe we should be more like the luddites, starting with data centers.
The luddites wooden shoes are not all that different from the folk that put zip bombs and other tarpits on their websites to break the crawlers.
And here i am not using it because I’m old and cranky.
I just don’t use it because it’s shit and doesn’t do anything I need any better than I can do myself in the same time.
“Hey why don’t you use this tool you don’t need? It does the thing worse than you do and also fucks up the planet in the process!”
I’m choosing to abstain because it’s shit. The ethical things are just a bonus. It produces inaccurate information and bland soulless images.
It doesn’t produce information, it produces text. Expecting that text to contain information is a fools errand
I refuse to use it because it’s shit.
We are not the same.
Yup, these things are still garbage for >90% of all applications people are jamming them into. Breathed a sigh of relief when my company CEO said he doesn’t see us using AI for more than can center routing for at least the next several years.
Works relatively well for image editing
Else yea I would agree, sometimes it’s just shoved for nothing, but 90% seems like too much
Don’t misunderstand, LLM’s are fantastic for certain applications and it makes sense to use them. But seriously GTFO my email and search results. Generated speech? Ew. Generated videos? Nah. Ordering for me at a restaurant? Just kill me.
Brave’s AI search results are pretty good
I don’t dislike AI generated videos as long as they are funny with some meta (making fun of the absurdity of what characters do for example - the brainrot potential is unlimited)
Every last bit of it? What is your stance on use of AI for tasks such as data analysis of massive sets for scientific research, or procedural automation of massive operations?
AI doesn’t exist, machine learning algorithms can be useful and are used with no controversy, generative bullshit is basically useless.
You’re using a lot of very loosely defined terms with a lot of certainty. Machine learning is AI, we just usually apply it to the more simple versions of it. Where do you personally draw the line? I fully understand the plethora of risks, downsides, and injustices that can potentially be involved in the matter, but I legitimately don’t understand the extremist level hatred that some people express to anything that could hold the title of AI. To me, it parallels with someone saying that they hate ionizing radiation. Frequently, it’s also bad, and your entirely reasonable to try and avoid it on a daily basis, but it also has many uses that are beneficial and life-saving.
Don’t try to argue with the lemmy anti-AI crowd, it’s not worth it.
Same thinking as people who hate crypto for a part of it
They just sound completely dumb, yet it’s the majority of people here
For a place that welcomes people, inclusivity and hate discrimination, there’s a lot of generalization of a lot of topics
That’s… not how it works. ML is AI also…
Don’t talk about things you don’t understand, please, to avoid misinforming other
Yes, I am also frequently accosted by Google’s data analysis of massive sets for scientific research. I can’t tell you how many times they’ve forcefully inserted research analysis of large data sets into my search results.
What?
*because you don’t know how to use it
