• Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz
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    1 year ago

    Communities organizing themselves into squads to handle criminals and undesirables is also how we ended up with the KKK. Also the kinds of people who volunteer for unpaid security work tend to be pretty conservative in my experience.

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      1 year ago

      If a society is a the point of calling for a substitute to police, then you are fucked. at that point you are just gonna build two armed factions which are illegitimate in each others eyes. thats how you get a civil war.

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      1 year ago

      You can’t draw blood from a stone. If community self-organizing gets you the KKK, that community was fucked to begin with. The USA has always been extremely racist, it’s a matter of to what extent we give the racist police a legal monopoly on violence and place them above the law. At least when they wear ghost outfits you don’t have an illusion of reasonability.

      Also note that the KKK never aimed to replace the police for the community the KKK came from, but rather to build upon police oppression of people outside the community. The two situations are not analogous, and if KKK members had to police their own community they would be much more gentle and constructive in their methods.

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      1 year ago

      Modern police forces are what we decided to do with the slave catchers and mercenaries for hire that would have started gangs if the government didn’t put them to work.

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      1 year ago

      a) isn’t “the police” just a wider definition of “a community organizing itself”

      b) half the police are in the fucking klan anyway lol

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        1 year ago

        The police is supposed to be a standardized rules based version of this, where the whole force is subject to law and can be held accountable, because chances are that unless you’re lucky or able to move, you’ll have a less than ideal local community.

        It’s not exactly unusual for people to be either lazy or unethical.

        You’re almost lucky if they just reject your efforts to organize, the guys in your community could easily do like crooked cops and repurpose the group to do crimes like harassment, theft, extortion, assault, kidnapping, rape and murder together. Of course the first ones being more likely.

        Some of you might prefer the targets they pick, though. Like beating a racist Asian grocer, threatening a woman 10 blocks away who cheated on one of the guys, and maybe kidnap and sodomize some dweeb none of you liked since high school. Shit like that.

        American police probably has too many issues to be reformed without being completely rebuilt with fresh hires across the board and making new rules and procedures. All “cops” should be fired, all “cop” culture must be cleaned out and left to rot in shitty bars where old gangster cops will inevitably gather in the aftermath, where an actual new and accountable police force will likely arrest them and put them in prison for whatever fucked up shit they’ve just done.

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      1 year ago

      Are you fucking comparing the goddamned KKK with the Black Panthers?

      No. Abso-fucking-lutely NO! Do better.