Why travel to that shithole.
People also travel to Pyongyang just to see just how shitty it is.
I’d rather go there. Probably safer.
Honestly, just follow their rules and you’d probably be fine in NK. But maybe not so in the us
yeah and then they whine when they steal shit and end up in prison
Travel to the US and it’s your own fault. We have been warned.
My partner is a scientist and has to travel to the US for work later this year. We’re both dreading it, given all these stories of people being detained at the border.
Don’t.
Be safe.
I’m not saying there won’t be financial consequences, but they are well within their right to refuse. I would.
What the actual fuck is going on with my country?!? For fuck sake, not all of us are fascist bellends.
Things are still gonna get worse, we’re not gonna get through this until their actions hurt so many people that enough of them get fed up and it leads to one of those belgrade or hungary sized protests
You’re talking about a country that largely lives with its head in the sand. America is notorious for avoiding the news, especially world news. The fact that any is ingested as all is likely thanks to social media. (Im talking large strokes, middle of the bell curve behaviors). As long as the family unit is ok, people generally think they’re ok, and live with blinders for anything outside of that. This life approach has existed long before Trump was even a blip in politics.
Remember, inertia is a seismic, global driving force of action for much of humanity.
I think it would likely take everyone’s personal house burning down in tandem to inspire mass action and those who still had houses would still function via the force of inertia propelling them through their daily habits, ignoring everyone else.
I say that as an American. I don’t like it, but it’s true. That and liberals a very un unified and tend not to like each other. A lot of gatekeeping takes place there rather than uniting and doing, always has. It’s a scattered, messy, un unified party.
In addition, there was another post made in response to a “do something” rant that I think sums up the other piece in play.
“I don’t know how to start a riot.”
Which is a fair point. How? Seriously. And where do you find people when your full personal circle is 2-7 individuals (if you have friends at all, it’s a major problem people seek therapy for these days). and half of the people who are friends with are either MAGA or a dissociated young man who spends all their free time behind a screen engaged in escapism.
We’re kinda screwed on the psychology side over here.
Generally I agree, but also I feel like we get held to a higher standard for some reason? I don’t believe the average person in China or India or wherever is significantly more informed about the news and world than we are in America. It’s just that when you have no time and energy outside of work it’s difficult to remain informed (and cross checked) about everything going on. Our orange Hitler has done like 4 things a day since being elected that could probably warrant a documentary each just to explain all the bullshit, and that’s just what’s going on here.
but also I feel like we get held to a higher standard for some reason?
I realize I discuss inertia as a driving human force a lot, but inertial force doesn’t just rule over behaviors but thinking and expectation as well.
This one is derived from that American ethos born of not just 1776 but WW2 and the post WW2 remapping of world politics, centered in the West. That’s it. We’ve been riding and reinforcing that inertial force ever since. That is simply how long and powerful inertial force can be within the context of psychology.
We The People hit a brick wall in November, but so did the rest of the world.
How that brick wall happens for individual Americans, wakes them up and energizes them instead of just making them feel tired and broken, I don’t know.
Aside regarding headlines. Germany is the classic comparison in studies. Brutal headlines and imagery are typical, even pre social media.
I feel like we get held to a higher standard for some reason?
Not really. My expectations about Americand are pretty low, and even then I’m regularly being disappointed by what I see them doing.
At minimum you guys should be held to the standards that you claim for yourselves, but that’s so much higher than I have ever seen your country achieve.
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If Americans want the respect from the rest of the world that your country claims it deserves, you guys need to fix a helluva lot of things.
A third of you are fascist bellends, a third are fighting against the fascist bellends … and a third are just standing there doing nothing.
Yeah, the non-voters are fucking worse than the Trumpers in some ways.
this is beyond voting now
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oh I voted. And dragged* all my kids to vote. And my reluctant wife. I did everything I could…
You might want to say “dragged” instead…
Well…. (I see your point).
I did everything I could…
Did you? Are you?
How often are you holding your elected officials to account?
how often are you hitting the streets protesting?
How much local and community organizing are you doing?
How much “voting with you wallet” are you doing?
No need to go to the us. Fuck that hellhole.
Turn off your phone before going through customs or tsa. They can’t compel you to give your password out, but biometrics don’t fall under that category.
And they can refuse you entry if you don’t comply.
Yup, that’s true.
Sleeping on an airport bench for your 2 week business trip knowing you’re getting fired when you get home
Sorry man battery died!
No problem. The cellebrite imaging tool will provide power while it dumps your entire phone.
For those of us with GrapheneOS, you could maybe set up a different user profile solely for travel? Hopefully they wouldn’t look closely enough to see that it’s not the real one
That feels like a pretty big gamble when the consequence for losing is being detained by ICE.
Doesnt work. They wont let you in if you dont unlock your phone. Same thing if you wipe it. They can refuse you for any reason.
Well ain’t that some bull shit.
For now anyway.
Why even visit a hostile country?
This. I personally have no plan going to usa now and in the future. Unfortunately some Canadians may still have to go for work related trips. Just be aware that you may or may not need to register in the new “Alien Registration Requirement”.
Just be aware that you may or may not need to register in the new “Alien Registration Requirement”.
And if you choose wrong, they might lock you up in a
detention centerconcentration camp.
They’re a scientist. Science is pretty international and often involves travelling to all sorts of countries for conferences with other researchers in your field.
If you really need to go to the US - Don’t bring any electronic devices with you through security or while transitioning through borders.
Leave your devices at home. Bring a single function camera with you if you want.
Once you get across the border … buy a new or used phone. If you have friends or family waiting for you, ask them to get you a phone, maybe even an old phone or get them to buy a used phone that you can use during your stay (pay them to get it of course).
Set up your new phone - load your data through cloud based systems … if you are organized enough, you can set up a cloud based password manager to handle all your other data services.
Then when you leave, reformat and reset your phone and either try to sell off the phone you just bought, give it away or just toss it.
Go through security again without a device.
I actually live in the US and am considering a burner for when I travel.
I have a question for you, do you actually need REAL ID to travel domestically?
Soon, you’ll need it to fly domestically.
They actually set this up pretty far in advance though. For instance, I’m from Texas, where any IDs issued since October 2016 are complaint. It’s impossible for me to have a current ID that’s non-compliant.
So from my perspective there won’t really have been any changes since 2001 in my flying experience.
Starting May 7, yes you’ll need a REAL or Passport to board US domestic flights.
not in the lower 48, yet. but I haven’t taken amtrak recently. no idea for alaska, hawaii, or the colonies.
There’s something ironic about reading this with a Home Depot (huge Trump supporter) ad embedded in it.
LOL they changed the headlines to “hateful towards U.S. Policy” now? I thought it was “critical of Trump”.
My company isn’t organizing any off-sites to the US for my remote first company anymore because of this shit lol. I think partially because nobody outside of the US would even go
Lol free speech amirite
If you bring a burner phone and they search it and see nothing on it, they’ll think that suspicious too and might deny entry.
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I’ve heard past suggestions of things like Goatse
source
No explicit source, but it’s common sense and within their abilities, keep in mind recently changed rules around searching in general have changed recently…
Border agent: I’m going to search your phone give me the password.
(eventually you agree because it’s a burner)
You: Here you go
Border agent: There’s nothing on this phone, no email, no pictures, nothing? What are you trying to hide?
You: Well it’s a new phone I just got
Border agent: And you haven’t logged into anything yet?
You: Ya.
Border agent: looks like you’re trying to hide something, this isn’t normal behaviour
You: start looking nervous as the border agent’s tone changes
Border agent: You’re looking a little nervous now, are you hiding something?
You: no, just trying to travel
Border agent: Goes away and talks to someone, then comes back and says, sorry were going to deny you.
They can deny anyone for any reason. It would ultimately come down to how you handle the situation, but DO expect to be grilled about it if you haven’t set it up to look real.
I thought that was basic opsec. Burner phone with a week of use, paid in cash on you. Real phone (if you need it) in a bag, battery removed and separate by any means. That’s not just crossing borders, that’s anything longer than a city bus.
What phones have removable batteries?
Phones from 2004.
That’s funny. I’ll just jump in my time machine and go back 11 years.
21 years
Oh boy I feel old.
I just hit my fifties. This life is too short. Or too long. I keep going back and forth on that.
The most brutal correction I believe I have ever witnessed.
Fairphone and shiftphone
All of the Blu phones from TracFone. Which is what I use.
Just wild that you have to practice opsec crossing a border that used to not even ask for your passport lol
Dude, I practice opsec crossing county lines sometimes, what’s your excuse? This is how it’s always been, you all are just realizing how a dude from Queens and Jersey sees the world. That’s all that dumbass is. He’s no better than his roots.
That’s not news. The US has for a long time reading/copying contents of electric devices at the border
They never asked to see my phone at the border. But the last time I crossed they were getting a hell of a lot more aggressive. They got less aggressive when I became a Canadian citizen, but when I only had my Lebanese passport they almost always brought me in for more questioning. It was kinda bizarre. They probably aggressively searched my luggage, but I can’t be sure of that.
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People have told me that I could pass for an Italian… hmm…
My checked luggage used to be searched when I went to usa. I knew it was searched because tsa would leave a pamphlet inside my luggage saying that it was searched. I believe they have stopped leaving such pamphlet but I won’t be surprised if they still search luggages.
I used to get “randomly” searched every time I fly in the US until I was sent to the side room for more extensive search and interview.
After that I never got randomly searched anymore whenever I go through the airport.
I think once they know everything and judged that I’m not going to be a problem, I stopped getting flagged.
From the news, this time feels a bit different.
Unfortunately I’ll avoid crossing the border until things settle down in a few years. I don’t want to get whisked away by ICE for looking at someone funny
Bingo. If anything, use of a burner phone will be purposely misconstrued as “suspicious”, and used as justification for more thorough screening.
“You just got it last week? That’s weird, we usually only hear drug smugglers using new phones. You’re not smuggling fentanyl, are you? OK, so you won’t mind if I take a look through your luggage to be sure, right? Maybe I should send you to secondary screening for an x-ray.”
While technically true, they weren’t kicking out foreign visitors for being critical if the president.
I used to train people in a specific culinary technique, and i had clients from all over the world, including Muslim clients from the Middle East and India. Most had no problem visiting, but one was stopped at the border and heavily grilled.
His visa said he was here for vacation and educational purposes, but when they went through his texts, they determined that he was here for business purposes, and threatened to confiscate his cash, and reject him from entering the country.
After a few hours, he eventually convinced them that he had considered his training with me to be educational rather than business for his visa, and it just an honest mistake, with no nefarious purpose, and was finally released so he could visit me, and get his training.
This was about 10 years ago, and I don’t remember who was president. It was either Trump or Obama.
2015 was Obama afaik. Trump came in 2016.
Obama was president for all of 2016 as well. Trump elected in 2016 but not sworn in until 2017.
I know, I have a calendar, I just wasn’t exactly sure if the timing, it might have been 10 years ago or 11, or 9, or 8, I don’t remember exactly.
