I am trying to make a 2024 version of my paladin. I can pick Oath of Devotion because it is free. I can pick the Xanathar’s options and Oathebreaker because they are from 2014 content I own, but I cannot pick the 2014 version of things I own if they’re in 2024 content I don’t own. I can’t use the Oath of the Ancients.
I would seriously advise just downloading PDFs and using a classic sheet/customizable app.
D&D Beyond’s pricing is embarrassingly predatory.
Any app recommendations? My group is big and we use Beyond. The pricing isn’t great, I agree, but with sharing it makes sense. There are 8 players in the campaign right now lol. (A little too big, I know.)
https://5e.tools/ might be worth checking out.
Fight Club 5th Edition.
Not really no. I think there are a lot of people that roll their own solutions using excel but I personally just tend to use a paper sheet.
Avast ye swabs: 5e.tools/
Also 2014.5e.tools if you want the original rules
I hate playing with people who insist on using beyond
Put. The phone. Down!!
Ok, to be fair. I would not have been able to figure all the math out even with friends help if it wasn’t for Beyond. It’s a great source to learn the mechanics. Now that I’ve been playing for months I’m more comfortable but would still likely get things quite wrong if i was forced to use only paper and pencil.
Yes, you could. The most math you ever have to do is divide by 2, add 3. It’s time consuming but it’s not difficult. The hardest part (which DDB can help with even if you’re NOT using the character sheet) is just searching for lists of valid options (i.e. a list of spells you are eligible for, a list of feats, etc.)
Paper and Pencil might be hard but there’s plenty of free tolls for the math and dice rolling.
I think you are underestimating yourself. When I run games I make sure all new players create characters by hand. That way they have a sense of the fundamentals. By level 3 they’re able to do it all on their own and can crate new characters from scratch.
It’s a good thing to have a fundamental understanding of the game. After players get more experienced I let them use a character generator. Still have to print it out and use paper sheets though. Laptops and cell phones in my experience RUIN campaigns.
EDIT: My group uses Pathfinder 2e. It’s much more player friendly and feels less like they’re trying to suck every cent out of your wallet.
I made a spreadsheet in Google Sheets so I can track all my shit without Beyond. I can share, if anyone wants a copy.
You can use 2014 PHB subclasses but only with 2014 PHB classes. When choosing a class, scroll down to “2014 Core Rules”.
I know I can use 2014 subclasses with 2014 classes. I’m just wondering why they let me use some but not all of the 2014 subclasses I own with the 2024 classes. The Xanathar’s and DMG subclasses are 2014 content.
This is why you need physical books. You can’t downgrade or stop me from using my books. After the removed content from Volos I was done. I still use it for filtering but have my physical books and my pirated PDFs. It’s a real shame that they don’t come bundled
I keep seeing people mention removed content about Volo’s. I still have access to it. What are you talking about? Not saying youre wrong, just not understanding.
The removed a bunch of lore and a few stat blocks when monsters of the multiverse was released. They were pretty minor and I can’t remember all of it. I never had the digital content and it’s more about principal
After doing some quick searching it looks like they’re only not selling it anymore and didn’t actually remove anything. https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/1201-faq-for-mordenkainen-presents-monsters-of-the#faq01
This tracks with my experience. I haven’t lost access to anything frim Volo’s. Here’s a screencap of using Volo’s version of Kobold and one of a monster stat block from it. From before I showed a screen cap of the lore still being available. I’m not sure what people are upset about, maybe theyre just confused and think people that bought it lost access to it?
There are legitimate things to complain about with regards to Beyond, but I don’t think this is one of them.
I know they moved things to legacy and stopped selling it. I think it was just a subsection about Goblinoids that was removed but I can’t remember to be honest. I was checking out from the DndBeyond system at that point. I still don’t trust any digital only media.
Goblin section is still there. Maybe they made some small tweaks similar to what they did with the Vistani in Curse of Strahd?
Yeah not sure
If you’re looking for another app with all the 5E content, it doesn’t exist, because everything except the SRD is copyrighted. So your options are to find some character building spreadsheet with all the options, try one of the suggestions in this thread, or pony up more cash to rebuy all the stuff you already bought.
I’m just venting at the moment. Always open to suggestions, but not actively looking to move.
So while I’m always happy when people are criticizing D&D Beyond in particular or proprietary platforms in general, in this particular case it’s actually against the rules-as-intended to play a 2014 Oath of the Ancient in a 2024 paladin shell.
(All house ruling aside, of course, and heaven knows I love house ruling and how house ruling is an argument against D&D Beyond.)
2014 oaths that do not have a 2024 version are still legal in the 2024 shell, but for oaths that do have a 2024 version, you’ve got to play the 2024 version if your group is playing D&D 5.24.
The reason for this is that some of the updated subclasses have nerfs or that features from them have been moved to the shell or otherwise taxed. Or, even the ones that have been buffed have the same issue in some sorta bid for table balance.
I cannot pick the 2014 version of things I own if they’re in 2024 content I don’t own
The intent is that it should work like this:
I cannot pick the 2014 version of things regardless of ownership if they’re in 2024 content regardless of ownership.
If Beyond platform ownership enters the equation, the Beyond team has messed up.
(Again, the word “legal” is a little silly in a game like D&D which works best when groups can change any rule, mash up editions freely etc. So please don’t shoot the messenger here. I don’t agree with WotC’s decision here. I just remember them announcing that this was how it was going to work, even at the table with all physical books and no Beyond.)
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They haven’t ever stopped allowing usage of “legacy” content before, though. You can still use the original Kobold (with negative strength) instead of the new one.
