I saw a post that talked about racism towards people and when I talked about it the response I got was very heated and a person even called lemmy.world a community of ‘hitlerites’

I have been around for a week or so and this is my first time seeing such explicit vulgar reaction towards another community, is this a one-off or should I block hexbear?

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    A bit dishonest to point to the drops in life expectancy and the general 1940s and 1950s period without mentioning World War II, where the Nazis waged a war of extermination and genocide on those they considered genetically inferior, don’t you think?

    No I don’t think so. For one reason part of the massive losses were Soviet Military tactics of meatwaves (which Russia still uses today) during WWII. For another, the Holomodor was an extra 10 million citizens of the USSR starved to death that occurred long before WWII when Stalin took all the grain from the people that grew it and let them starve to death. Starving your farmers to death is a monumentally stupid decision for a nation that struggles with food supply. This is the hypocrisy of Soviet Communism. Marx and Engels wrote about empowering the masses, equality in everything, and society without class or station. Yet the USSR was anything but that. History shows that the actions of the state saw massive numbers of dead citizens as a means to an end in both war and peace. Trotsky himself was a victim of the Stalin’s USSR. Famous and brilliant Soviet orbital rocket designer Sergei Korolev, was another victim dying from complications from living in gulag. Do you think Marx and Engels would have seen their ideas at work in the Soviet Union?

    Same with comparing a highly developed country that saw no land fighting in World War II to the country devastated the most by it that was a feudal backwater only a couple decades prior when it comes to infant mortality.

    The infant mortality was more than double the USA every year for the entire existence of the USSR. Or are you claiming WWII was still to blame for the higher infant mortality 45 years after Hitler ate a bullet ending war in the European theater?

    No, most Marxists don’t want to go back in time to the first Socialist state, they would rather learn from what worked and what didn’t and be part of building a Communist future.

    Is there consensus in the Marxist community about any nation today practicing this Communism 2.0 or is it all just political theory at this point?

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      For one reason part of the massive losses were Soviet Military tactics of meatwaves (which Russia still uses today) during WWII.

      Is that the technical term? I’m guessing your source for that is Enemy at the Gates lmao.

      Soviet military tactics in WWII were quite innovative and effective. The Soviets developed the military category of “Operations,” in between the levels of the strategic and the tactical. Soviet operations focused on breaching the enemy line in order to deal as much damage as possible to the support crew, then evaluating whether the position could be held and frequently withdrawing before reinforcements could arrive. This was reflective of communist ideology, which emphasized the importance of unglamorous work, and therefore, targeted the unglamorous work of the enemy during wartime.

      This was in stark contrast to their adversaries, who held the exact opposite ideology act acted accordingly. The Nazis were obsessed with proving their superiority at every turn, and also terrified at disappointing their superiors. The Soviet approach of tactically retreating after a successful breach would’ve been unthinkable and ridiculed (and punished) as weak and cowardly. The Nazis had little formal doctrine and their military reports were generally full of lies and fluff to impress their superiors, while the Soviets took a much more rigorous and almost scientific approach.

      The heroic efforts of the Soviets were the primary reason the world was saved from fascism, and it is absolutely absurd to lay the blame for the men, women, and children who were killed - including the brutal, indiscriminate mass slaughter and burning alive of civilians - at the feet of the people who put the perpetrators in their graves.