What’s wrong with Bluesky? From my perspective it looks pretty dang wholesome. Could someone please elaborate?
Heres the thing with federation
It will always be more complicated, and lead to smaller segregated communities. This mitigstes the network effect social media services rely on
The consumer lockin then monetization lockdown cycle always sheds users. I think eventually most federated systems will gain users, albeit slowly.
This only works if a new centralized network doesnt take its place, Blueskys existence kinda proves thats not always the case
The proof is that mastodon user base is steadily going up. There hasn’t been a giant spike in a while but the barrier to monetization is too high for it to shed users from that. Its more like how wikipedia has outlived google as a resource despite wikipedia not being particularly better now than soon after it started.
If the internet has a future, it’s on the Fediverse. We work around capitalism to avoid enshittification, or we let it defer our future further.
In the meantime, the Fediverse needs to get shiny and intuitive. The sign that something is cumbersome and hard to use is people saying “it’s not that bad”.
People may disagree with how BlueSky is organized and architected, but I get why they decided to do what they did. User experience.
Their architectural decisions mean that people don’t have to worry about instances confusing people, and the org structure means is easy to staff a proper dedicated experience team that can be working, planning, and testing before big expensive decisions are committed to code.
Bluesky is apart of the Fediverse and the quicker ActivityPub sites accommodate that fact the quicker we’ll have an open internet.
This pissing fight between ActivityPub sites and Bluesky is dumb and doesn’t further an open internet.
Not directed at you but to a lot, go put time into making Mastodon compatible with atProto instead of bitching.
Didn’t BlueSky come up with their own federation system because… Fuck you?
I mean, what was wrong with using the ActivityPub standard?
You forgot one main thing, 🤑🤑🤑🤑.
Filing as a B corp wouldn’t be my first choice if I was trying to prioritize getting rich.
That is how it usually starts. It start innocent but the moment you see potential money or the funding runs out you either become like OpenAI, Google or go obscure worst bankruptcy. It does not help that their protocol is basically how search engine works today. They control the flow of information and funded by venture capital.
Lol
Mastodon may or may not be good (I don’t use it), but the fact that it segments off users into different groups means it will never be a twitter replacement. The fact that twitter is essentially “public” and all sorts of people from different areas interact was basically the whole point of it.
Bluesky seems pretty nice so far and it has real momentum. Mastodon seems more along the lines of what Google+ turned into.
I would argue siloing is easier on bluesky - block list manager drama can definitely have a similar effect to user admin drama. The thing mastodon does poorly is discovery. The fed and local feeds are nonsense on Masto. Imo it should be replaced with local admin/user curated topical feeds and top cross server topical feeds.
Mastodon requires far more effort to create a new feed than bluesky, and that’s the major problem.
Mastodon doesn’t silo its users, that’s what federation is for. Everything you post on the public timeline is essentially public for everyone that’s on a federated instance that hasn’t gotten blocked.
I’m just dreading the inevitable monetization. These spaces are fun in their alpha state. But it’s just a matter of time before there’s a “Let AI help you spam Shrimp Jesus to your friends” button and a “Pay $5 to override the Block function” feature.
Why must you malign shrimp Jesus so
Friendship ended with Mastodon
My new best friend is Bluesky
Mastodon is social media where no one comments or likes anything.
It’s like a modern art masterpiece.
You’re hanging out with the wrong people.
bluesky has made better choices - the starter packs and user lists are great for new users. They managed to add quote tweets but let the quoted person opt out of dog piles. It looks like they added options for custom algorithms too.
Bluesky will be enshittified but mastodon should be taking notes if they want to pick up people next wave.
The bluesky system is just way better. The local/fed feeds on masto are just wasted.
The block lists for various types of assholes are also a marvellous invention. It’s so nice to block all of MAGA at a click
What if we’re wrong and BlueSky just gets better? I mean, with some of the corporate trappings of old Twitter, but still user-friendly, big userbases, vibrant subcultures and banning troublemakers?
I mean even if it repeats “the Twitter mistake” that’d still be another 13-14 years to go. Who knows where short-form social media will be conceptually in that time and whether any competition in the space is even still relevant.
It will, but it still has that countdown timer over its head.
The future is the fediverse, some yet-to-be-invented non-corporate equivalent, or offline.
Had to look up bluesky. Posts are called skeets 🤣
That’s news to me 😂
Pronounced “shiits”
Mutuafuckaaaaa
People who genuinely think like this (as in, that users going to Bluesky is somehow bad, surprising or something only stupid people do) are the very reason systems such as Mastodon cannot work. And sadly they naturally pervade such systems, at a development, administration and user level.
It’s almost like the average person doesn’t care about the fediverse and decentralisation and only wants muskless twitter. Nooo clearly the normies are idiot sheep
I mean, the reason Musk is an issue is because Twitter is a privately owned, for-profit company. The issue is top-down leadership. Bluesky is absolutely doomed to the same fate.
Bluesky is a for-profit corporation backed by Venture Capital and run by Crypto assholes.
Jack Dorsey launched the initiative in 2019 as a proof-of-concept for a federated Twitter, which never happened. After dumping Twitter, he re-launched it as a standalone social media service and flagship ATProto instance, before jumping ship and letting it be run by committee. He now endorses Nostr, because BlueSky wasn’t friendly enough to Nazis.
The current BlueSky CEO, Lantian Graber, started her career running shitcoin/scamcoin exchange (SkuCoin), manufacturing ASIC mining rigs, and developing for Zcash. She masquerades as a progressive techie, even as all of her past experience leans Libertarian/Anarchocapitalist, and all of her other ventures’ websites are plastered with GenAI slop.
Bluesky is growing faster than ever expected, and with virtually zero real federation going on. It’s going to fail catastrophically when the new user base realizes they signed up for the same shit they were trying to get away from.
It isn’t that hard to realize that a FOSS product developed by a nonprofit (eg. Mastodon) is the correct answer, not more centralized, corporate, for-profit social media…
Bluesky is Decentralized, people are moving to Bluesky because it is easier to use and has better UI and UX. The reason people are moving to Bluesky and not mastodon has nothing to do with Decentralized, it is because it is simply user friendly. I used both and I think currently that Bluesky is definitely better. One of the biggest issues is the app, many users use their phones and The mastadon apps are awful in comparison to bluesky.
https://www.hostinger.com/tutorials/how-to-host-a-bluesky-pds
Bluesky is not decentralized if you have to use their relay to access the network from your PDS
That’s exactly the thing, mastodon has all of these nerd things attached to it that most people won’t care about, whilst BlueSky doesn’t
Yeah, Bluesky has both federation and ease of use, which is why many prefer it over Mastodon. Instead of making someone search for a server to join, Bluesky gives you a default server which makes it easier for less tech savvy users.
bluesky does not have functional federation by any reasonable measure.
It is currently early access, but should be opened to everyone later. There is also a bridge that links Bluesky and Mastadon. https://docs.bsky.app/blog/self-host-federation
If the reason people only want bluesky is because it’s Elon-less Twitter then they are stupid and wrong (or just ignorant). But then they can move to the next thing in 5 years when the enshittification happens.
Yup, there it is.
why the fuck does no one change the trashass looking shadowed white impact font default text treatment on the meme generator
Readability > style
That takes effort and would invalidate it as a shitpost.
Mastodon is gatekept to hell and back, the technicalities of federation are exposed to the user for some reason (you already lose half your potential user base right there), infighting between instances means that you won’t see the entire discourse of a post depending on which instance you’re at…
And besides all that, bsky is not as “corpo” as mastodon fanboys make it out to be. They’re on track to open up to privately hosted instances as well, and you can already run most of their backend stuff yourself.
As much as I like the ‘decentralized’ stuff, the technical part of federation should NEVER be exposed to the end user if you want the platform to be mainstream. I still don’t understand why a lot of federated projects think it’s a good idea to expose that to the end user.
Whenever Lemmy or Masto gets a flood of new users, a portion of them never make it past the instance selection and totally bail.
The user experience was designed by people who literally respond to user feedback by telling users to commit new code to the project.
It’s clearly designed by engineers who assume other users will be just like them.
This of the core of the problem. Github energy.
Fine for a hobby. Not good enough for a public-facing product.
The project was started as an architectural thought experiment, not with the goals and limitations of the end user.
If bluesky ever becomes actually federated, won’t it have the same problem?
Probably not. Currently it seems on track that you’re always first on their main instance. If you’re technically inclined you could then start hosting a federated part yourself (or joining one), but this does not change that the actual entry experience is exactly the same as on Twitter, hence why transition is so insanely smooth and painless.
The way sign up currently is, probably not. It would still default to bsky.social and your average person isn’t going to think about it.
I think a lot of the attitude I saw on mastodon about this like a year ago was one of suspicion that they wanted an open network but didn’t use the fediverse standard
Which AFAIK isn’t a standard, so… 🤷
ActivityPub is a W3C standard, though.
Oh I dis not know that! Interesting! Thanks for the correction.
I assume the main reason is that ActivityPub is a mess and quite overcomplicated for bsky’s needs. Being permanently tied to it seems like a big risk. There’s no reason why they couldn’t make a compatibility layer later and hook into it.
If the userbase of mastodon is even remotely similar to that of lemmy, I sure as fuck am glad I joined Bluesky instead
My Mastodon experience is far more pleasant than that of Lemmy.
My sense is Mastodon is far less left leaning (but still left of center) but it may just be a product of who I’m following and the tags I’m following.
I would love to have an unbiased Lemmy. But this is filled with mostly extreme far left people I talked to. I also get down voted any time I mention most people don’t use Imperial/Fahrenheit, except 5% of the world. Lemmy feels kind of hostile for open discussion.
Yeah, I think I saw that post.
Lots of “it’s OK when we do it” sentiment.
I’ve noticed the majority (or at least the vocal ones) don’t really stand on principles such as free speech. And I don’t mean as in a “free speech” Lemmy instance. I mean in terms of inalienable rights.
To many here, things like that are only for the “good” people, as determined by them.
Have you considered that US standard unit users know that and it’s just annoying when someone points it out unnecessarily for the hundredth time?
My sense is Mastodon is far less left leaning (but still left of center)
Begging the question of what you think constitutes the political “center”, given how fash everything has become.
I’m too tired to hash that out with you.
Might be cause you’re bouncing between so many social media services
The actual center, which never moves even as extremists come and go, would be a little to the right of Elizabeth Warren, though not by much.
The actual center, which never moves
???
Public opinion never changes?
You’re always welcome to go back to Reddit if you don’t like it here.
You’re not, though. Reddit is Bots Only
Everyone something something bot
Reddit’s core business model from day one was to fake engagement. This isn’t calling your nan’s IMs a cyber attack. We’re talking about a community that’s been outted repeatedly for hosting artificial content.
I did. The userbase in most of the subs there is warmer, not hostile, and much, MUCH less gatekeepy.
If lemmy ever wants to grow and actually succeed, I don’t see it happening with people acting like they are acting now.
I’ve had the exact opposite experience except people are anti blsky and reddit. That isn’t hostile.
I’ve had terrible experience with mainly tankies, which infest this site to its core. That was what mainly made it so hostile. Aversion to bluesky and reddit made it very gatekeepy
I’ve had less toxic experiences on reddit. Here I’ve had people use my post history to insult me and I even had some jackass respond to me 3 months later after some change Firefox did to “prove” he was right. Even though he was still wrong. Not to mention the tankies and other troll instances. I deleted my account on reddit years ago due to the toxicity there and I still find it less toxic now than Lemmy whenever I lurk there. Lemmy is dying because of the toxicity here. My subscribed feed used to have at least an hour or two of content to look at but it’s slowly been less and less, and mostly just automated bot posts now. I spend less than 10 minutes a day here now because there’s just nothing here. And I know someone is going to be a dick when replying to this and I’ll just have to block 2 or 3 people again.
When Reddit happens to pop up on Google search results for something, I sometimes check my old account inbox. There have been two separate accounts replying to a years old anti-pseudoscience post of mine saying that if I don’t believe the moon is plasma, then I won’t be right with Jesus. Yes, really. Only one of them knows how to properly capitalize sentences, so it’s definitely two separate people.
At least on Lemmy, blocking two instances cuts out most of the tankie crap and the experience becomes immediately better.
lol you called dude a “Fucking retard” for posting a link on a 3 month old comment thread that you could have just ignored.
I generally look at someone’s comment history before replying to them to see if it’s even worth a reply. The internet has been and always will be (without heavy authoritarian moderation) full of trolls, Bad Faith Actors, and idiots. Block everyone, cry victim, whatever makes you feel better. Maybe if you keep running into assholes and trolls you should reflect on your comment history and how you interact with people online. The kind of comments you feel the need to comment back to (because you don’t need to comment on anything, like ever) you don’t need to.
It’s wild that you don’t have the self-reflection to realize that your comments calling people “retards” and “morons” perpetuate the same toxicity that you’re complaining about.
Welcome to the Internet though.
