These might be the good old days. Go outside, feel the grass, say wassup to your neighbors,… whatever you do that means community, because sh*t might get bad for a while.
Technically there are 2 months until Jan 6 in which anything can happen. I’m just not hopeful that anything will and don’t think it’s in my best interest to take a stand and make change happen.
This is how they win. We let them.
I didn’t understand what this post meant yesterday. “I’m still afraid of what would happen?”
Now it makes total sense. Fuck.Something tells me this day will eventually live in greater infamy than 9/11.
Like in 2230, provided there is still something resembling the human race, “9/11” will be just another boring date to memorize together with shit like the Alamo w/e.
The day the republic fell, however, will be a lot more recognizable and memorable.
248 years. Empires “always” last around ~250 (Let’s ignore the Romans for now) so we’re exactly on time.
Nope we’re in those times right now.
I’m seeing a lot of “democracy is going to die” posts… But… I hate to break it to you:
America is not a democracy. And if somehow it is a democracy, then it’s an incredibly bad one. It’s the least democratic democracy in the Western world.
The two party system, the first past the post voting system, the indirect method of counting votes, lobbying, gerrymandering, the electoral collage. Systems to try and manipulate what a vote means. Systems that try to remove as much democracy from democracy as possible, while still being able to keep up some mock appearance.
Your whole country is fucked and backwards from the very beginning, and that wouldn’t be so bad. But if America does something we all have to suffer for it!
As a person from Europe, who’s is living next to Ukraine, who’s girlfriend is ukranian, who’s many friends are Ukrainian, who’s many friends died due to that terrorist state: If you were eligible to vote in the US and didn’t, fuck you.
Any vote that didn’t go to Kamala, is a vote for fascism, a vote to accelerate and finish the genocide of palestine, a vote to cease support for Ukraine and a vote to help terrorists in ruzzia. If you support any of that, Fuck. You.
But I know my ukranian brothers, they will not surrender. Even if you selfish American pricks don’t support them. They will fight until they can’t fight anymore, and then they will still fight.
Unlike you, they are brave. They are heroes. They know whats fucking right.
And frankly, for all terrible things coming to the US, if you didnt vote, you deserve them all.
If you are from the LGBTQ+ community, not white or a woman, and you didn’t vote, you have just commited suicide.
I will still support Ukraine, financially. Its not much but I don’t care. And if its not enough and the worst comes, I am ready to die to save my brothers, just like my people did in the past.
I am willing to do my part, if you didn’t vote, you didnt. So one, last fuck you.
I didn’t vote because the lack of domestic violence protections in my state mean that I have been working 7 am - 9 pm every day for the past two weeks. I live in Oklahoma, so voting is pissing in the ocean. There’s a good chance I’ll be murdered or arrested for existing in the next year!
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Jesus Christ people… these are humans who voted with concerns for themselves and their communities. Just because you didn’t get what you wanted or you did get what you wanted doesn’t mean it’s carte Blanche to say the most fucking heinous shit about each other.
They wants us divided.
So as far as I understand it as of now it’s pretty much decided early with almost no chance of Harris making it.
So there you are. You’re right. I was right. We all were.
We hoped for sanity.
But it seems a massive criminal openly stating he will run a dictatorship has been voluntarily elected.
It’s like allowing someone in your house telling you that he’s going to rob you, but he promises to do it LEGALLY. It’s hilarious and maddening at the same time.
There’s a play by max frisch calledThe fire raiders where exactly this happens. You just made me realize that this book fits what has happened perfectly. Obviously it’s also a metaphor for the political turmoil of that time.
as an european, i am watching in absolute shock. i really dont understand how HALF the USA can still vote for this Chicken Nugget of a person.
Some people only have information from one side of the story. If Trump wins, he will likely try to mimic what both Putin and Orbán did with the media.
Wait, you think the US has had independent media at any time?
It will have even less so, but the only “bad media” will be the ones that doesn’t use “trans groomers” and “illegal migrants” in their headlines…
So: start organising to fight fascism immediately. We’ve been saying this for years: you don’t fight fascism at the urns. Unionize, make collective grassroots power, read leftist theory (the only ones who managed to stop fascism in the last century).
Managed to stop fascism? That was a collective effort, but ok. Stop totalitarian dictatorship? Not at all.
While you’re mostly right, it isn’t really half because we have this fun thing called the electoral college, that likes to make Republicans win.
It’s not even close to half. Republicans are a quarter to a third of the country.
It’s voter suppression and Democrats being the biggest possible fuckups they could be at every fucking opportunity.
Well and so far the popular vote is more red then blue. I think the USA will get the government the voters deserve.
Here’s hoping the rest of the world can not get pulled down.
I’m someone smack in the middle of a liberal city in an always blue state, I don’t know what else there is for me to do. I’ve attempted helping educate and getting people to vote in other states who normally choose not to, I’ve voted in every election down to local boards and try to know who I’m voting for. Locally, we had a lot of successes so far this election in our state…but that won’t help much if, y’know, fascism.
People turn fascist when they’re desperate and angry, same as always. So when people experience economic hardship they look for somone to blame, often immigrants. So we call them racists, and I guess that’s true, but it comes from something else; economic inequality.
In Europe we do the same thing, in the French elections the rural population voted overwhelmingly for the fascists - here in brown.
In the German elections, the poorer former East-German provinces also supported the fascist AfD, here shown in the darker colours.
Even in Denmark, where I live, the more right-wing and extremist parties are popular in the southern, western, and northern parst of the country - the poorer rural areas, who’s seen their jobs disappear, their shops close, and their income stall even as the country as a whole gets richer.
So the challenge of liberal democracy is clear; show the population outside the cities that they, too, can get their piece of the pie. If we cannot solve that, then we’ll see more countries turn fascist in the next decade.
Yes, thank you for putting it in plain language. People are not in a good place all over the world and telling people the economy (markets and stats people no longer have faith in) is great has the opposite effect then what the Dems intended.
This mess stems from a combo of a two party system (you know that thing the US founders warned you about) and a fundamental failure (real or perceived) of society’s ability to reward people fairly. Now you don’t have a middle class to pander to, you just have levels of poor and a few ultra wealthy (both demographics that tend to vote more right then left).
The real telling stat here is women voters. At what point would a woman vote contrary to her own body autonomy, safety and general rights? Like anyone else, when she is poor, hungry and angry.
Jesus, been scrolling for hours and finally someone has said it. It’s why someone like Bernie trended so well and actually had a chance if the DNC would’ve ran him in 2016. He wanted to raise EVERYONE up, regardless of any identity or ideology. He came with receipts and actual plans that he non-stopped harped on every second he had a mic in front of him. This election cycle I didn’t hear a single actual legislative plan fleshed out like they did with the healthcare for all in 2016 debates. You’re not gonna win a mud-slinging contest of “he said, she said” when people just don’t care.
A lot of people (white and/or rich mostly) also know that they have benefited from racial discrimination and opportunities stolen from other people. They saw their parents buying homes, getting loans and jobs. They vaguely heard how difficult it was for POC or displaced individuals, they don’t want the system turning on them. In their bleak futurism that the right-wing paints, we will all be treated equally so everyone is a target. Instead of targeting voters concerns in an economical way, they went with a polisci approach like Harris’s horrible housing innovative.
Harris proposes to provide $25,000 down-payment assistance to first-time homebuyers who have paid rent on time for two years, with more generous support for qualifying first-generation homeowners. … The proposal stems from an idea the Biden-Harris administration presented earlier this year, which called on Congress to implement $25,000 in down-payment assistance exclusively for 400,000 first-generation buyers, or first-time buyers whose parents weren’t homeowners, and a $10,000 tax credit for first-time buyers.
You’re parents had a shack? sorry. Get no economical support from parents but they effect your government support? sorry. Congress didn’t pass it? sorry. We’ve decided to change the definition of a “starter-home”. Sorry.
The piece of the pie was a perfect way to put it, I’ve seen so many shit takes from everyone on here I’m flabbergasted. From people “getting popcorn to watch everyone get their just desserts” to “maybe we shouldn’t of ran a woman-POC this election cycle”.
Back in 2016 I was living in the middle of Trump country, but when I told them I was supporting Bernie and not Clinton they’d say something like “I don’t agree with him on a lot of stuff but I respect him and like that he hates billionaires.”
I really think he could have won.
Not sure what to tell you, I am in another nation but a similar situation. The state of things is now to the point media is untrusted, nationalism is both here and missing, while people are angry but happy to blame the “other guys”.
My ultimate fear is we’re too late and this is a global trend, but hopefully we can break through it. (We as in humanity, my team kinda dropped the ball on this one it’s looking) We need to get people educated and working towards change instead of casting blame on the “other guys” like you said. Right now though it’s hard not to feel lost knowing my loved ones and my rights and safety is at stake. I hope things look up for you and your loved ones.
Both of our nations really need to have some electoral reform.
Best we can do it seems is an “I voted” sticker.
You could watch the reactionism ramp up as they slipped into the minority during Clinton; and white men struggling to deal with the loss of their relevance has basically been the story of American politics since.
Americans love chicken nuggets, that is why
I honestly find this hilarious for a couple reasons—
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His retarded voters are going to wake up 6 months from now with more Indian, Mexican, and Middle Eastern neighbors than ever before.
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Inflation is going to increase like it did before under him.
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The measures his government will pass will heavily favor corporations, both foreign and domestic.
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If incels think that women hated them before, just wait, his incel base of voters are going to be enemy number one with women from all walks of life.
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Women dying from lack of abortion care is going to get worse (I don’t find this funny). The wives and daughters of republicans are going to among those that pass away from the lack of abortion care.
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Trump doesn’t care about White people and their weird obsession with being replaced. He even stated that he’s going to increase immigration to levels never before seen due to AI, for some reason.
This upcoming Trump presidency is going to be a dumpster fire for his voting base because he will accomplish none of the things that they think Trump will do. He won’t get them a wife, he won’t end no fault divorce, he won’t make anime real, he won’t start mass deportations—he’s just trying to stay out of jail.
For the rest of us, just laugh. We’ve been through 4 years of this idiot before.
The only thing I find irksome is the gloating of his retarded voting base. They would really vote against their own interest just to laugh at CNN/MSNBC pundits panicking online. It’s like setting fire to your house because it makes your neighbor seethe.
I don’t live in the US, so my views are probably biased by our anti-Trump media hype, so even though I agree with most of your points, I’d leave two open for discussion:
If incels think that women hated them before, just wait, his incel base of voters are going to be enemy number one with women from all walks of life.
I was under the impression that Republicans are not looking for love from women, but their total subjugation. Women don’t need to love them (perhaps they can, only in Stockholm syndrome mode), but they have to obey. I don’t think incels will be disappointed.
For the rest of us, just laugh. We’ve been through 4 years of this idiot before.
I said this twice before, and I was always wrong, so take this with a huge boulder of sand. But I don’t think he’ll last four years (unless they do a Weekend at Bernies), so part of the 4 years will be with that weird cross-dresser, and I have absolutely no idea what to expect from him.
I agree that he probably won’t last the four years but even if he does he is already too senile to set any policy. He was also already more than happy for others to do the actual work of creating policy because he’s incredibly lazy last time.
So I think Vance (and Musk) will be the real rulers behind King Trump. I don’t think either is really that much interested in religion and racism but both are incredibly sexist and/or transphobic. So sadly a lot of horror and pain will be delivered to women and transgender people. (Which doesn’t mean immigrants are safe.)
Musk will also push for deregulation/privatization of technology so that he can become even richer. This will lead to more monopolization/enshittification and stifle innovation for years, maybe decades. Vance will go along with it due to the Thiel-connection.
Additionally, Putin has made sure that Musk will also champion his interests even if Trump is unable to due to senility. The US will become a de facto ally of Russia and a geopolitical enemy of Europe in a similar vein as China (meaning not openly).
The military-industrial complex will quickly warm to the new reality of an autocracy and the US will start a new war somewhere. Probably in the Middle East. Maybe not within the first four years though. It will be used to distract from a crashing economy and the very real climate catastrophe (mirroring Ruzzia).
I wish all of this were ideas for an alt-history book and not a possible scenario for our future.
As a German aware of my country’s history I can only shake my head in sad recognition and try not to feel utterly hopeless not only about the future of a once-great country but the entire world.
We’re in the endgame now.
I feel like the Germans are the only ones who understand this. Very few of the Americans in my life understand they just lost their “democracy”. I’m a dual German/US national, so it’s been hard to watch the US backslide. I’ll come to Germany next year, but I swear to god if you fuckers elect AfD I’m gonna lose my shit.
All of this already happened + a mismanaged pandemic and his voters still supported him.
From day 1 there’s going to be somebody recreating his persona to be ready for 2028 to repeat this.
The US being a dumpster fire is nothing new. But this is a new low
- 11% more women voted than men, if they all voted democrat, they would have won easily.
You could argue that a proportion of these women are brainwashed or whatever else but the simple fact of the matter is that not enough of them felt engaged with democratic policies.
Adding to this, the wealth disparity is going to continue to increase with those who have equities dramatically increasing their personal capitol, while the middle class is going to fall further behind.
I’m convinced a major part of inflation that goes completely ignored is the staggering amount of wealth generated by equities. People have literally seen 1 million become 2 or 3 over the last few years. They have been spending money with complete disregard… Watching what people buy at Costco is insane!
The goal is to make the middle class disappear and blame someone else for it. The US wants a wealthy upper class and a permanent lower working class. This is why Republicans never act on immigration, legal or otherwise, because it’s the best way to lower wages, it’s a huge point to campaign on, and many republicans benefit from immigrant H1-Bs and “none skilled” labor.
Many companies lobby to increase number of h1b visas because it’s cheap labor that can’t go job hunting. Basically indentured servitude with more steps. They want cheap labor vs Americans demanding better wages
You think Family Values Republicans care if their Wives and Daughters Die?
Republicans don’t view their female children as human.
As a trans man who experienced sexual violence and domestic violence, “why did you let him do that to you?” And I’m persona non grata. My husband who took advantage of my state making it legal to fire me for being trans (and losing all access to independent finances) - he would be more welcome with my dads family than I am.
My step-mom’s brother-in-law who got picked up by a police officer posing as a thirteen year old with drugs - that was just a little mistake.
Republicans don’t view AFAB people as people.
Depends on who kills them.
They care if THEIRS do, sure. Just not if others do. Or if theirs are forced into a sub-optimal life in order to make the the man’s life better.
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Democracy died, not with a cry, but a cheer
So this is how a democracy dies…it votes for its own death.
This is what I don’t get…everyone keeps saying it is going to be a bad 4 years but most likely this is it we are done. Trump is going to pardon himself for all the shit he did last time in office and now he doesn’t need to worry about breaking any laws since SCOTUS gave him immunity. This is going to be horrific. We are witnessing the death of America.
well
NYT is calling it for Trump. America as we know it, may be over.
The war in Ukraine is about to end, with Russia probably getting everything they want, NATO might disband, China likely takes Taiwan, 100 years of authoritarianism and tyranny may be upon us after Trump truly consolidates powers, and nukes the Federal government.
I fucking wish I was being hyperbolic.
Nah, we’re gonna balkanize sooner or later. Economy is fucked beyond fucked. (Thank you Reagan) It won’t be able to keep going. Especially not with republicans at the tiller. The end of the US will be the same as every other empire. But with nukes.
Why Reagan? Who moved all the manufacturing to china and built up China?
Stagnant wages, weakened unions, at-will employment, low corporate taxes, etc. All Reaganomics. Supply side economics. Basically destroyed the economic powerhouse that won the Cold War. It’s still a goliath, but instead of an immovable industrial bullwark its all debt driven gambling now. Speculation and financialization.
And who moved shit to China so it’s now much worse? Bill Clinton.
And now not even US/EU cars are competitive anymore. Boeing is in decline. Intel is dying.
Go into any store - nothing made in US anymore.Accept responsibility - it’s a Democrat bill Clinton doing
Both Clinton and Reagan were economic neoliberals. It is neoliberal policy that has fucked us.
100 years of tyranny is hyperbolic. Climate change will kill us before then
America as we know it, may be over
Stop. I can only get so hard
The war in Ukraine is about to end
Damn, if only we had listened to the people calling for a negotiated peace since the first moment instead of calling them Putin bots…
NATO might disband
As a western European, I fucking wish, but you’re too hopeful for that. NATO is exclusively a force for evil, and the only interventions that it’s carried out are the bombing of Yugoslavia and the bombing of Libya, the latter resulting in a decade of civil wars that destroyed the formerly most prosperous country in Africa. Extraofficially (not technically NATO), also the invasion of Iraq. How is literally any of that good.
100 years of authoritarianism
The US has never been anything different from that. It’s based on the genocide of natives, on slavery of imported Africans, and the decisions made at the government are consistently against the will and the interests of the majority.
Down with the US empire
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Yea, i guess the Budapest Memorandum meant nothing huh? Thank you “yankstupids” what an insightful
I like the part about Ukraine. Also don’t care about Taiwan.
But kinda wish democracy maintains in us.You won’t care about Taiwan until your iPhone costs $3000, then you might realize it was worth defending
I don’t use Phones. Besides - they just gonna move chip making to us in that case.
They’ve been trying to move chip fabricators to the US for decades. The education system is shit here and we don’t have the talent. Also it’s really difficult to get the fabricators right and built for a reasonable cost. So yeah. Your non-iphone is gonna be pricey.
i mean, we’re literally building fabs under the CHIPS act right now.
The CHIPS act? You mean one of the things the Biden admin bragged about?
Good thing the incoming administration isn’t petty enough to nuke anything associated with the previous administration…
You mean one of the things the Biden admin bragged about?
yeah.
Good thing the incoming administration isn’t petty enough to nuke anything associated with the previous administration…
that would be unfortunate.
Remember when the US government gave the telecoms billions to build gigabit internet infrastructure nationwide and they fuckin just didn’t do it?
Pepperidge Farm remembers. Show me a working fab as a result of that act after Trump and Co manage to not fuck it up and then your comment might have some merit. Note: the coming brain drain will not be kind to the USA.
Remember when the US government gave the telecoms billions to build gigabit internet infrastructure nationwide and they fuckin just didn’t do it?
me too, i also remember in 1930, when the great depression happened. I don’t see the relevance here though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHIPS_and_Science_Act#Impact
shit in r&d is not like throwing money at big corpo and hoping they do what you want. If you don’t turn out results in r&d, it’s a dead field.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHIPS_and_Science_Act#Project_announcements
plenty of project announcements, idk if you think the government can’t like, build buildings or something, even though they can make the interstate highway system. But in defense of the CHIPS, building fabs is really fucking hard, costs billions of dollars, and takes many, many years.
America thought they had the funniest joke on the planet in 2016 and had to say it again.
