• PugJesus@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    “It’s NOT a gun control issue, it’s a mental health issue!”

    “Then we’re expanding access to mental healthcare?”

    “Fuck no, that’s SOCIALISM and psychiatry is bullshit anyway!”

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      It’s frustrating because I believe it’s a mental health issue primarily. But god forbid we actually help people deal with their trauma and pain.

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        It can be both! And a problem with bullying in schools. And lack of ways to escape poverty. But having any changes that affect any of those things is verboten to the places where land gets more of a vote than people in cities do.

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          Don’t get me wrong, I’m for gun control. I just believe that if we lived in some utopia with zero mental health issues, it wouldn’t be an issue regardless.

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            Therapy and meds can’t fix poverty perpetrated by the ruling class.

            But I generally agree.

            And did you know utopia means “place that cannot exist” while eutopia means “a perfect place”. Not correcting you, I just think it’s funny that euphemistic drift has flopped it fucky.

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        It’s not even a mental health issue either, ultimately! The traumas that result in mental health issues themselves have a cause, which tends to boil down to systemic inequity of some form or another. And our rulers not only have fuck-all interest in fixing that, but also a vested interest in actively perpetuating it.

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        I definitely feel some kind of way about this because dead children seems to be the primary issue from an outside perspective and ending easy access to weapons would be the single most effective way to fix that.

        but without proper mental healthcare these people will then just have a knife party and take slightly less people with them … so there’s also that.

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          Or a car or a bomb…guns are just the tool being used currently.

          The systematic issues our society faces are the root cause and until we resolve those, this will continue to happen.

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            This thread seems to be downplaying the effectiveness of guns. Obviously, given the cancerous gun culture being what it is, there’s no way I’ll be able to convince anyone who’s already decided that guns aren’t a problem.

            Just for the rest of the world, I’m just going to point out that there are sane folks here in the US who fully recognize that guns are definitely the problem and aren’t going to point to the ludicrous notion of “a car or a bomb” as the next obvious substitute for firearms mowing down children in classrooms across the country.

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              You must be blind if you think that other weapons aren’t used. Our society needs to be fixed, Pandoras box is opened, you can’t fix an issue if you don’t focus on the underlying issues that are the true cause.

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                But, like, let’s be real - if we had no guns, less kids would die.

                You know, Not banning guns would be an interesting stance from the Pro-Life party if Carlin hadn’t already pointed out how duplicitous they are on that front.

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                  If I could snap my fingers and all the guns vanished, I would, because it would mean no one would ever need to defend themselves ever again, but we don’t exist in that world.

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                    Well gosh golly I guess we just can’t do anything then. Throw more kids on the pile.

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      Fuck those people. Universal healthcare to include complete mental health support and well being as a primary focus

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      “Fuck no, that’s SOCIALISM and psychiatry is bullshit anyway!”

      I’m sure I’m not alone in thinking that people who think/say this, have mental health issues. We are lost.

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        Education is everything, that’s why they love to go after it. They don’t want free thinkers but indoctrinated clones of themselves.

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          Don’t make the mistake of thinking the people pushing this are doing so on ideological grounds - they don’t give a single fuck about any of this - it’s just an issue they can exploit to rally the common clay, salt of the earth folk.

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      They just say in order to solve the mental health issue, people just need more jebus.