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Cake day: October 27th, 2023

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  • I’ll give you that - but I’ve seen Subarus struggle to kick over on 0W-20 in Tahoe - these are new Outbacks and Foresters, not some beat on WRX or dirtbag Legacy wagon in the Heavenly parking lot.

    Toyota backspeced to 0W-20 for the US/Canadian market because CAFE and there is a statement in the owner’s manual that “thicker oils provide better protection for high-speed driving or severe use.” It’s worded to avoid a brush with the EPA/CAFE - Toyota says indirectly thicker oil is OK. Severe use to me is towing, extended freeway runs(like a roadtrip” or gig work like Uber or Amazon/Doordash. The same engines in Southeast Asia, Australia/New Zealand and Middle Eastern/African nations allow for thicker oil.

    The only cars I’ll feel comfortable running 0W-20 or even 0W-16 full time is a Honda and the new Toyota Dynamic Force engines that were designed to accommodate thinner oils. Honda was the first to introduce 0W-20 and they have a dire warning not to use anything except that.





  • The Toyota will look “boring” and be a few steps detached from a pre-Whirlpool appliance - boring but reliable. The Hyundai would look cooler but the Koreans(I’m looking at you HyunKia, LG and Samsung) don’t build things to last or be easily repaired - parts are NLA after 5 years. Hyundai quality has improved over the last 20 years IMO but they still seem kinda disposable, not as bad as a GM though.

    Also, many insurers are hesitant to insure HyunKia products or at least will charge increased premiums.