Got a '14 Rav 4 with 100k miles and been using nothing my Mobile 1 0w20. Been thinking about changing brands. Heard some good stuff by Quaker State. Can anyone concur?

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    5W-30 - Mobil 1, Pennzoil Platinum, Castrol Edge, Valvoline Synthetic MaxLife, don’t matter.

    I’m leery of 0W-20 personally - it’s a minuscule MPG gain for Toyota to get CAFE credits but unless that car is driven “normally” - no stop & go or high speeds, it’s not as protective.

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      1 year ago

      Manufacturer recommends 0w20. I dont really wanna go along with some random guy on the internet (no offense) lol

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        1 year ago

        Toyota has used 0W20 for decades now and the engines and fuel mileage are still industry leading so 0W20 it is. 0 weight oils flow best cold for start up lube anyway

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          For the US the recommend 0W-20. In Japan, they allow up to a 10W-30, for Southeast Asia and Australia/Middle East, up to a 20W-50.

          0W-20 is a fuel economy grade. It works fine for Honda - they invented it and engineered for it. Right now, Mopar and GM are having lifter issues on V8s with DoD and 0W-20.

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            Because GM and Mopar are shit in comparison. The lifter issues are nothing new, been a problem since 2016+ when the 5.3L first started recommending 0W20, yet they keep cranking out the same underengineered garbage. Unless you need a 2500 series pickup, those brands should be avoided.

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          I’ll give you that - but I’ve seen Subarus struggle to kick over on 0W-20 in Tahoe - these are new Outbacks and Foresters, not some beat on WRX or dirtbag Legacy wagon in the Heavenly parking lot.

          Toyota backspeced to 0W-20 for the US/Canadian market because CAFE and there is a statement in the owner’s manual that “thicker oils provide better protection for high-speed driving or severe use.” It’s worded to avoid a brush with the EPA/CAFE - Toyota says indirectly thicker oil is OK. Severe use to me is towing, extended freeway runs(like a roadtrip” or gig work like Uber or Amazon/Doordash. The same engines in Southeast Asia, Australia/New Zealand and Middle Eastern/African nations allow for thicker oil.

          The only cars I’ll feel comfortable running 0W-20 or even 0W-16 full time is a Honda and the new Toyota Dynamic Force engines that were designed to accommodate thinner oils. Honda was the first to introduce 0W-20 and they have a dire warning not to use anything except that.