If I owned the vehicle in this scenario, I’d be more concerned about some of the more, uh, rabid fans of the brand doing something to the thing.

They look pretty good, they have some decent options, and they’re inexpensive. I don’t think it’ll be a sales hit because it takes time to get people to even look at your brand again but they’ve definitely turned a corner and while I may not buy one, I can understand why someone else would.

There’s really no “cheap” van anymore. Prices have skyrocketed in the last 3-4 years for anything that can be used as a work van or camper.

What’s your budget?

It’s all in how it’s implemented.

In theory, I don’t hate the idea of something that prevents drunk idiots from even starting their car, provided it’s essentially just an immobilizer and does nothing more than force the driver to find a ride.

I think people are confusing facelift for generational changes.

For a mid-cycle update with a big improvement, I’d go with the 4th generation Firebird. Those 98-02 ones look so much better than the 93-96 ones.

For the worst “facelift”, I’d go with the 2nd generation Impreza. Bug-eye to blob-eye was okay, but the additional facelift to hawk-eye was… woof.

Dominate by 2030? No chance. Considering 2024 models are already out, it’d be at least 2025 at the earliest before some of these would be hitting the US - and in Mexico, where Chinese vehicles seem to be taking off, they still only represent something like 8% of the market after 3-4 years.

brakes gave out yesterday and there’re so many problems with it already

Tell us more. What gave out? What else is wrong?

Additionally, cars are not updated yearly like phones are. An automaker might update the camera systems every 3-4 years (at the earliest), and the actual part is chosen/designed 1-2 years before the car is released to the public.

But it’s lasting just fine in those conditions ?

You’ve left an iPhone 4 outside since 2013 and it’s still working fine?

They must be anticipating demand to outstrip supply by alot

It’s going to be quite some time before they can deliver any significant number of vehicles - 2025 at the earliest.

and they altered it

If you’re going the legal route, you’re going to have to prove that A) the dealership knew the mileage was incorrect and B) the Carfax mileage is accurate (which it isn’t, often).

I have to ask… How did you not realize a 200k mile discrepancy? Did you not get it inspected? At that mileage there will be so many obvious signs of wear that either you didn’t look or they replaced a lot of parts.

What car are we talking about?