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Sci Hub and Library Genesis for those who don’t want to feed the leeches
Also, if you’re not in a rush, just email the authors!
A vast majority of professors and researchers hate the publishing industry as much as anyone, and will be happy to shoot you a pdf if you’re interested in their work!
Exactly. The worst that happens is they say no or don’t respond.
The worst that happens is they say no
this is often poor dating advice, but this time it’s good advice :)
The truly worst that could happen (in the dating scenario, that is) is that they say yes, but then turn out to be a serial killer and you’re the next victim.
okay but have you ever lived with a serial killer? so fucking clean, intensely discrete.
I feel like living with Jeffery Dahmer would not fit this description.
okay so there are probably exception, but I haven’t met them.
that I know of.
Serial killer dating scientists, unite!
They will likely say yes, thanks for being interested in my research. If they’re like me, they didn’t respond because they’re overworked and tired, so politely ask one more time
When I need it, I know how to pirate, but I am privileged enough in terms of my institution that I can get most of anything I want (I mostly pirate for family needing niche things in engineering, and I am in the humanities). BUT, I had this one occasion that both validated my feelings about the system and fucking infuriated me. A professor from an institution that did not have the right subscriptions emailed me asking for an article I published, because they wanted to assign it for a seminar, but could not legitimately access it. That made me lose my shit. I didn’t get paid, neither did the editors or peer reviewers, but you know, god forbid someone read it for free. Which is when I realized I didn’t even have final copy myself, so I had to go to JS**, download it, spend some time cleaning the “downloaded from XYZ.XYZ.XYZ.XYZ address at XYZ institution” footers on the PDF, sent It to them and encourage them to further pirate that shit
today i learnt
Also ETC Press at Carnegie Mellon University for a great example of publishers who aren’t leeches (mainly gaming related).
“To learn, to learn and to learn”
Not only do you write the article for free, they will also charge you for the privilege of publishing in their journal.
Depends on the publishing method you choose. If you want free for readers, authors pay. If you want free publishing, readers pay. Reviewers never get paid. Editors get paid shit. Journals profit massively for doing barely anything. Terrible in all directions. Preprint servers are the future
Was the article really written for free or was it written with tax-payer funded government grants?
For the publisher it was written for free, yes. And the amount of founding increases with their fee.
I mean, ok, then, I, a taxpayer, want free access to the document I paid for.
Oh it was funded with tax/university money so that means a 3rd party private company, which had nothing to do at all with the funding/research, gets to profit from it gottcha.
They even have the “whale” concept where they charge more for graphs and pictures and even more for *gasp* colored versions of same.
RIP Aaron Swartz
never forget, never forgive, always pirate.
Oprah’s just thinking about how to get her own publishing company into that business.
She knows a good scam when she sees it.
Spez already had it figured out.
Fuck /u/spez
Fuck /u/spez
Fuck elsevier.
So what exactly is their argument for the service they provide that ‘justifies’ the cost?
The reason is tradition.
Because they got money in turn for publishing and distributing the books in the past, now they want to continue getting exorbitant fees even though they are not providing any real value any-more.As far as I can tell, we’re just paying for the reputation of the journal.
Elsevier business model or exploitation business model as I prefer to say
shadow libraries. hate that they need to exist, but its up there with ‘gay furry hackers’ for setting specific coolness
Plenty of people here saying: “But the scientists were paid by a public university!”, yeah whatever. If I’m financing a scientist with my taxes, they should have their work published publicly, not be incentivised to publish in private journals that will profit from their work while adding pretty little.
Is there a reason reasearch pdf:s isnt published on github or simillar instead?
Peer reviews. For the results to be acceptable around the scientific community, their methods and conclusions need to be validated by at least 2 other scientists familiar with that subject. Like someone said, there is axiv.org, that lets you upload your paper without this review, but it’s more of a method to claim precedence if someone else publishes a similar work. It’s usually not a scitation source that is taken seriously. This could, of course, be improved! There are open access journals that charge the scientists instead of the readers, but there are several scam journals popping up every day that will usually publish anything without reviews.
Open access fees are generally like $4000 per article. Now find a grad student or postdoc (the people actually writing these articles) who has that kind of money to spend because they “believe in free and open access to information.”
arxiv.org is a thing
I’ve never seen this meme format! Exciting!
Love that new meme smell
The new model is actually to charge the author a shitton of money (think thousands of dollars) after the paper has been accepted. After it should be accessible through
Publish on a public university or institute
But mah points…
What points?
Points for the scientific metrics. You get more points for publishing in higher impact journals.
People downvoting cause they have no idea how this shit works
Well, I am sure there is a scam, because there’s money involved and it’s happening in this day and age, but talking is free, listening is free, yet the phone company makes both sides pay so they can talk and listen, and I wouldn’t consider that a scam.
It’s about the margins. If your phone contract was “100€/minute” that would be a scam. Also journals do have a lot more power than phone companies. Journals aren’t a network of providers where you can choose whichever is cheapest.
Like I said I was expecting some sort of borderline legal scam. It’s just that the meme only mentions that you have to pay them which in itself is not a scam.
The meme leaves out the very important detail that most of the researchers working “for free” in the first panel are definitely getting paid, and usually by public funding (public universities and/or grants from taxpayer-funded institutions like NIH, NSF, etc.). That’s a big part of what makes it a scam.
Extorting you out of your money via unfair prices by misusing your power is borderline legal. There are consumer protections against this kind of stuff.
Not to argue on behalf of publishers, but the papers aren’t written for free. It’s part of the job of being a researcher, it’s a significant KPI for which you’re hired and receive a wage.
Reviewing for free is pretty much bullshit though. As is paying to read them afterwards, if your research institution doesn’t pay to publish in an open access journal
It’s not the publishers paying the researcher’s salaries, they’re mostly paid by public institutions and receive funding from government grants. If anything, bl researcher pay structure should result in open access publication.
I didn’t say it was the publisher’s paying the salaries. My point is that researcher are paid to research, and publishing results is part of that.
Yes, but this really does just mean we should have a government provided publisher for government funded research. I paid for this research every 4/15 and i shouldn’t have to pay again if I want to see it
Sure, that would work. Or government grants available so anyone who wants to be an editor can apply for funds to get it going. Papers are rarely printed on paper nowadays, so the main costs would be paying editors, paying reviewers, and web hosting.
I was hired to teach at a non-research college… except admin are trying to finnegal us into doing off-contract studies and publishing, moving forward. So yes, in the worst cases, it’s done even off-wage.
Yup, been there, but the other side of it. Was hired to do research and then teaching suddenly appeared as an expectation.
