“All they are trying to do is convince us that there is some kind of movement toward where we want,” Siblani said. “But it’s too slow and it’s dragging. It’s more death and casualties that are happening.”
The highest-profile example of the stonewalling came last week when a Palestinian American doctor walked out of a meeting with Biden. But interviews with Muslim and Arab American leaders reveal how that face-to-face protest was only the most conspicuous case of a fracture that has damaged crucial relationships and closed avenues needed to repair them.
But the situation presents a challenge for a president who believes in the political power of personal relationships and has prized his history of sitting down with opponents and critics. It could also jeopardize his reelection this year, with some Muslims warning they are unwilling to support Biden even it that risks returning Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, to the White House.
Salam Al-Marayati, who lives in Los Angeles and leads the Muslim Public Affairs Council, described the attitude as, “Forget them. They have to learn a lesson. And if they lose, that’s the lesson they should learn.”
" some Muslims warning they are unwilling to support Biden even it that risks returning Donald Trump" …who will be eager to urge Israel to “finish” the job".
And then Trump puts in his Muslim ban.
some Muslims warning they are unwilling to support Biden even it that risks returning Donald Trump
Yep, these people are fucking morons.
We don’t get good support from this one guy, so we want to make it so the guy who promises to fuck you over gets elected.
More like if we burn you burn with us
Yeah, they’re morons for refusing to vote for a guy killing their friends and families. Maybe you should work harder to move the Dems away from supporting genocide.
They’re not voting for Trump either. They’re exercising their democratic rights. Biden should earn their votes, not be entitled to it because one guy is less overt about doing genocide.
You have a gun with one bullet. Should you shoot the guy who says he’s going to stab someone or shoot the guy who says he’s going to blow up a daycare full of children? Hmm. Better exercise your moral highground and do nothing. That’ll show’em!
What a nonsense imaginary situation you’ve made up to excuse your favored genocider-in-chief. If you ever wonder how the Holocaust could’ve been allowed to happened, just look at your own posts trying to justify genocide happening right now.
At what point will you be asking yourself why it is that you are being forced to make choices like that? If you normalize this, you are signing on to it.
The people walking away from Biden refuses to do so… and your only response is to smugly lecture them?
Yeah… Trump is going to be your next president. This whole “lesser evilism” bullshit the Dems have been peddling for years now was going to hit rock-bottom at one point or the other. Guess what… that time is now.
I get your point of view because the alternative is surely worse, but from their point of view, their people and for some their own families are the ones who are dying.
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He just shit the bed so bad.
All he had to do was stay the fuck out of it and say I’m not trump and he would have won by a landslide.
Now we will probably get trump and we deserve it.
Yes I am part of that and no I don’t feel bad about it.
You guys decided you would rather have trump and support genocidal actions and said fuck you to us.
Then you beg for our support while calling us idiots.
Generic you, not natural_motions you
Do you not at all understand why this is a complex issue? Yes he could appease you and a lot of lemmy by denying Isreal aid but he’d upset as many if not more people by doing it, especially when things went real bad and his enemies start saying he hates Jews and backtracked on decades of promises, rolling pictures of dead Israelison the news 24/7
Politics isn’t about everyone getting exactly what they want, it’s about trying to balance impossible choices and push towards the direction that benefits the most.
Then I don’t want to hear people bitch at us for not getting in lockstep.
You guys decided that the pro genocidal action side is more important.
Stop begging us to work FOR you, when you won’t work WITH us
You’ve got a binary choice between someone who is trying to limit Israeli brutality but giving support and someone who literally cheered on the brutality, demanded more and offered greater support.
I’m not asking you to work for me, I’m pointing out the reality of the situation
I don’t believe he’s actually trying. I believe he is doing the bare minimum he can try and get elected and that is not good enough for me
Is the same attitude that I’ve gotten every mother fucking presidential election about how now they care but they never fucking do
Of course you choose to belive what suits you, he could go in bare handed and fix the whole thing in a weekend and you’d complain he looked too good doing it.
What is your magic wand solution?
You call it a complex issue but have decided that clearly the solution is to say “fuck the Muslims” because otherwise he’ll lose the support of genocide-lovers.
It’s not the Muslims it’s hamas and they would love to kill all the Jews if they could, they try constantly with money from other extremist groups and despotic countries like Iran. If anyone is a genocide lover then its them, and most reasonable people don’t want to see them get in a position where they can live out their dreams which is why they support the fight against them.
I’m sick of idiots pretending this is big bad monsters vs sweet innocents who are hard done by because they’re Muslim - what is your plan for the hate filled religious zealots desperate to make the whole region even worse than Afghanistan? Just let them win? Just shrug when they complete their river to the sea genocide and focus their oppression on the Palestinian people because their lives are objectively worse but at least the jews are dead?
You don’t care about the people you care about ideological purity and finding an excuse to hate
How many of the 30,000+ killed so far do you think are hamas?
If he wasn’t fixated on supporting this genocide
It’s not Biden - Israel being a holy cow is untouchable policy, not politics. Israel is immune from US politics - and people in the US who doesn’t want to sign on to genocidal white supremacism have run straight into that wall (a wall that wasn’t supposed to be in a supposedly “democratic” state) and don’t really know what to do.
I don’t envy you.
The true morons are biden and his supporters who think supporting genocide is more important than winning the election. Stop supporting genocide and you get their votes. Seems like a win-win, but I guess biden and his supporters think that’s too much winning. Typical democrats snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
it’s not a kind of cut off one’s nose to spite one’s face fucking morons. If they don’t do that, they’ll be played around over and over again. If they’ll do that, it will be a lesson not to trivialise their importance. When Trump is back it can be worse but now the sentiment around the world is changing, which can help to control Trump which which will deem him to be at the same level with Bibi which will leave him isolated, which is good. So, it’s not moronic but a rather calculated risk.
Yeah sure, Trump will surely be controlled
Just like Franz von Papen ensured Hitler could be easily controlled once Hitler was in a position of power:
“In two months, we will have pushed Hitler so far into a corner, he squeaks!”
- January, 1933
Not that kind of control. Much like the way Bibi is being controlled right now,
in which of nowin which as of now he would already have a full ground attack on Rafah if not because of the dwindle support from the world community. The ‘Good’ guy needs the support of world community to maintain its moral legitimacy; if not they will have to transform into being the bad guy - which is not the option for the US. The hypothetical Trump can choose that path but he will further be isolated and the US will no longer hold the reverent supremacy as before. This is never the favorable path in line with the long term geopolitical strategy of either the US or Israel.
Gottemmmm. That’ll get them to vote for the person financing the deaths of their families for sure!
Moron.
Dan Koh, deputy director of the White House Office of Intergovernmental Affairs, said the administration wants “to make sure we’re as accessible as possible.” “We understand that some people do not want to engage. We respect that,” he said. “But we think that the people who have engaged have felt that it was a fruitful discussion.”
“Why isn’t our good good words convincing people?!”
This is the right move. Stop talking and expect action. Otherwise, be unemployed come November.
If you’re an American it seems like your choices really are between Biden and his slow genocide or Trump with his quick one.
It doesn’t seem like you can really rely on your political leaders to help resolve this conflict in a way that doesn’t lead to more suffering and death, only the pace at which it happens. If those are the only two options, I don’t blame Muslim and Arab Americans for giving up on Biden.
I think it would just be more honest to acknowledge there’s no real support amongst any American political leadership to minimise the suffering of either the Palestinian or Israeli people.
What suffering of the Israelis? They’re partying and listening to shitty techno music and getting showered in free American money and weapons.
Palestinians are living in tents and starving. They’d love to be subjected to America’s treatment of Israel.
Both Palestinians and Israelis see each other as existential threats. Ignoring this basic reality means there will always be conflict in the region.
Palestinians are suffering en masse right now, I don’t think anyone reasonable is denying that.
But what do you think happens if the underlying, justifiable, fear that they each have of the isn’t addressed? There will be more massacres and more war, and like in every war, innocent people will pay the price.
Both white slave owners and black slaves see each other as existential threats. There will be conflict. We should try to find a negotiated peace between them so the slave owners can have their slaves in peace.
Stop both-sidesing this like a dumb liberal. What’s happening is colonialism and it’s wrong. Wake the fuck up, Israelis are trying to replace the Palestinians, not co-exist with them. There is 75 years of history to demonstrate that.
So since all Israelis are the white slave owners here what do you think would ensure lasting peace? Finishing off the Israelis once and for all?
Wow, what a logical leap.
Is that what you think happened to white slave owners in the US? They were all killed? Of course not, they were forced to coexist with black people and stop committing crimes against humanity.
But… But what about their CULTURE!!! If you make them be nice and stop oppressing people, it would DESTROY their culture!!
Israelis massive victim complex juxtaposed with then acting like Nazi’s doesn’t somehow make both sides equal.
So what do you propose to stop Israeli aggression towards Palestine?
The next time their music festivals get attacked and people kidnapped they should just be ok with it?
Don’t torture,kill and starve Palestinians and force them to live in an open air prison for 70 years and maybe you won’t get fucking attacked.
This is reversing cause and effect.
Israel is currently massively terrorizing the West Bank. They have recently committed the largest land theft there in decades expanding their Lebensraum for their Ubermensch.
Somehow this doesn’t matter. Somehow whatever israel does to other people is entirely irrelevant until they fight back. That is where the conflict must start. Not at the 20 year long brutal occupation and regular terror bombing of Gaza by israel.
We can expect Palestinians in the West Bank to start resisting against israels brutal Nazi regime as well. And then you can post more about music festivals (forget the 33% military kills btw)
Or we can tell israel to stop doing Nazi shit right now so those oppressed people in the West Bank don’t have a reason to fight back.
Exactly and if Iran retaliates to their embassy getting bombed, it’s Iran the one that’s escalating.
It doesn’t matter whether Trump or Biden is President to stop the war in Gaza, what matters is that Netanyahu isn’t Prime Minister
Gantz has already said he’d also invade Rafah once he’s prime minister. The issue is not Netanyahu. It’s all of Israel as a racist apartheid ethnostate.
We need to stop paying attention to what the Biden government says, and pay absolute attention to what they do! They’re speaking out of both sides of their mouth, FFS!
It’s an election year, so yeah.
Lots of posturing, very little action.
Fuck Israel.
https://kolektiva.media/w/ba1cb5b0-521f-4aee-9334-bd5ab1dd16e1
Donate to legal funds for those who get captured by police on April 15th or get your ass to a demonstration. This needs to stop.
Nice to see some people don’t support Genocide. If only more people had those moral standards a third party would win. Too bad libs will excuse Genocide for their God Emperor Joe Biden.
Maybe they should start sharing some words with Hamas about releasing the hostages and surrendering so that the war can end.
Israel has said they will continue their Genocide if Hamas releases the hostages.
I just hope they vote third party. No reason to support either candidate.
“Take that, face!” says man cutting off own nose.
The nose is getting cut off by either candidate in this situation. Biden has pulled strings we all wish would’ve been pulled for something like saving the student debt foregivness but instead he did it to continue supplying and funding a genocide.
Trump will do it so much better then, he’ll tell the Israelis to finish what they started and give them more kaboom.
How about we focus on stopping genocide. If you live outside the ~5 states that decide the election then you should be voting for a third party.
It’s a good thing the Donald Trump who moved the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem totally wouldn’t support Israeli genocide, isn’t it?
Clearly Donald trump wont be any better and that clearly wasn’t my point. To people who are trying to stop this genocide going “The other guys isn’t going to be any better” instead of also trying to stop the genocide isn’t going to convince them to come to your side.
The other guy is going to be worse. That’s the point. Sacrificing the bad for the worse is not a smart strategy.
Sometimes we get what we deserve.
It’s already been established that you are not part of “we” even though you say “we.”
Surly trump will do better, right guys?
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Insane? Compared to Trump? Not even a race.
Biden doesn’t get anyone fired up because he is the drab and boring choice. Against Trump he is the perfect candidate.
Once Trump drops out of politics you will see more options on the field. It’s going to be a while before we get another Obama.
Boringly supporting genocide wholeheartedly. By the way, sorry to break it to you, but once trump drops out of politics, we’ll just get the next bad guy of the week. It never ends.
Trump was an aggressive leap forward in shittyness. I suspect his departure from politics will drain a lot of the swamp.
I thought the same when bush jr left office. Imagine my surprise when democrats continued many of his terrible policies (corporate/bank bailouts without punishing those responsible, warmongering, the surveillance state, etc) while also trying to rehabilitate that war criminal’s image. Maybe trump won’t get his image rehabilitated, but many of his terrible policies will continue (and they have, like the border issue and trade war with China).
You know bush wasn’t a democrat, right?
Third party, another, “Let Israel finish the job” vote.
No one should be forced to vote for a candidate that’s supporting the murder of their friends and family.
Work harder at changing Bidens position of supporting genocide.
You guys could join us.
I bet you would rather support Biden sending more and more bombs, than stand with us and say no.
Okay, “us.” Which specific candidate should we vote for that has a legitimate chance of beating both Trump and Biden?
Because “vote third party” will not beat Trump or Biden even if you wish really hard.
Don’t need a third candidate. Biden, if he were pressured, would change his stance on supporting the genocide if more Dem voters made it clear that is also in their interest.
How? Attend protests Support BDS Write your elected representatives Sign petitions Like pro-Palestinian social media Spread the word
If people actually worked at it we could get anyone.
I like Whitmer and I think we could convince her to run
So you believe that a person who has not even been convinced to run yet is the person we should vote for that has a legitimate chance of beating both Trump and Biden?
You honestly believe that?
I prefer to aim high and miss than aim low and hit.
I did that with a president and an ex wife, both were horrible decisions.
Trump is an asshole for sure, but I have faith in the democrats doing like they did last time and fucking up as much as possible.
At least the Cheeto says what he means.
Biden talks out the side of his mouth because he’s too busy gobbling Netanyahu’s balls with the rest.
Besides i believe we deserve to suffer if trump gets elected, maybe we will learn this time about ignoring huge swaths of your supporters.
Sorry… “At least the guy announcing a genocidal dictatorship says what he means” is a reason why he should win?
Besides i believe we deserve to suffer if trump gets elected
Then I’m guessing you’re not brown or queer.
You are a fucking shill for trump. “Says what he means”??? Hahah you cultist dipshit. He wants your money. That’s it.
That’s how Trump wins.
It’s Biden’s election to lose. All he has to do is stop supporting the genocide and prove he’ll do something to good Israel accountable for its war crimes.
He’s not entitled to people’s votes, he has to earn it. Abstaining is a valid position in a democratic system.
It is not about Biden. Biden is infinitely times better for chance of peace (eventually). If you truely care about people there, it is insane to take this position and not vote for Biden.
And then next time you will work with us?
Infinitely on a zero chance scenario is still zero.
US foreign policy needs a radical political overhaul. This won’t happen without massive pressure.
That’s what we deserve for supporting the massacres going on
