• whoreticulture@lemmy.world
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    But the “hormones” you generically refer to, aka fucking estrogen lol, and hormone blockers Trans women take aren’t an advantage. Ask any trans women, they make you weaker…

    Like why point out trans women when trans MEN are taking a hormone that actually promotes strength and athleticism? TERF vibes

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      They make you weaker, perhaps, but are you at the same level as a cis woman who was never exposed to that level of testosterone?

      And trans men are just competing against men that naturally produce those same hormones.

      It is simply a complex issue that defies a simple answer.

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        There are plenty of cis women that have higher natural t levels than men, that’s why many sports already required people stay under certain t levels before trans sporting rights were even in the question.

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          The effects of increased testosterone last a long time, even if it’s being blocked. And how exactly are testosterone levels being monitored? When? When, if ever, do the athletic advantages of male puberty and testosterone wear off?

          People have reasonable and legitimate concerns beyond accusations of transphobia. Sweeping those concerns under the rug and acting like they are unfounded will earn the trans community little support.

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            So you’re threatening your support of the trans community based on whether or not people agree with your sports opinions. Or, at least you’re implying it’s legitimate that people would do so. L take. Transphobic vibes.

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              7 months ago

              Not agree, but willing to at least engage in a good faith discussion of issues rather than resorting to accusations of transphobia.

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                This is not a good faith discussion on your part and the fact that you don’t realize that is why I’m calling you transphobic.

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                    7 months ago

                    A good faith discussion starts with someone not being transphobic, and someone not tone-policing trans people for being concerned about the rampant transphobia on this post

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              Anyone who disagrees with me is transphobic! It’s obviously not possible for me to be wrong!

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        Every woman has variations in their hormone makeups and history. Besides, the pool of trans women athletes is just so small, and the amount of vitriol is so disproportionate and obviously rooted in transphobia.

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          The variations between biological men and women are larger and more significant than those between women.

          And it isn’t that insignificant. Lia Thomas won an NCAA title, beating an Olympic silver medalist. Laurel Hubbard went to the Olympics. She lived as male 35 years before transitioning. She had given up weightlifting decades earlier. But at that age with little training, she suddenly qualified for the Olympics.

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      With your passion and drive, you would absolutely be a force to be reckoned with and a wonderful asset. It is such a shame that you are struggling so much with petty name calling and insults because instead of helping the trans cause, the actual effect you have is absolutely the opposite. You hurt it tremendously. You 100% come across as someone who is uneducated, childish, and mindlessly mean. You lack the ability to respond to anyone in a way that encourages them to see things from your point of view.

      I’m sure that deep down you have some good points, you are just currently utterly unable to convey them. This is not a reason to give up though, just a reason to spend some time self reflecting. You can be so much better and more useful than you currently are. Not only will that help your community, but it will also help you enjoy your life more on a personal level.

      The trans community is full of so many unspeakable incredibly amazing individuals. I’m sure you can find some to look up to and learn from. Good luck. I know you’ve got it in you!

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        lmao I’m not here to convince transphobic people of anything. take your smug tone-policing and shove it up your damn ass

        boohoo waaaaa I said someone has terf vibes 😭😭😭😭

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          Then maybe ask yourself this - Why are you here?

          Put another way, what do you think that you have accomplished with this last comment? Do you think you hurt my feelings? If so, do you think my feelings being hurt benefited you in some way?

          If you aren’t here to help other people understand your point of view, and you’re not trying to understand other peoples point of view, then what are you accomplishing by spending your time here?

          Does it make you feel better by treating people like this? Do you leave this app feeling better or worse?

          I hope you feel better soon, it hurts to see you struggling so hard. Your current way of trying to deal with things isn’t working, so maybe a big change would be a good idea. Only you can make that change though.

          From one internet stranger to another: You’ve got this, and you are so much stronger than you are currently realising!