• derf82@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    28
    arrow-down
    9
    ·
    8 months ago

    They make you weaker, perhaps, but are you at the same level as a cis woman who was never exposed to that level of testosterone?

    And trans men are just competing against men that naturally produce those same hormones.

    It is simply a complex issue that defies a simple answer.

    • Takumidesh@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      13
      arrow-down
      14
      ·
      8 months ago

      There are plenty of cis women that have higher natural t levels than men, that’s why many sports already required people stay under certain t levels before trans sporting rights were even in the question.

      • derf82@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        20
        arrow-down
        8
        ·
        8 months ago

        The effects of increased testosterone last a long time, even if it’s being blocked. And how exactly are testosterone levels being monitored? When? When, if ever, do the athletic advantages of male puberty and testosterone wear off?

        People have reasonable and legitimate concerns beyond accusations of transphobia. Sweeping those concerns under the rug and acting like they are unfounded will earn the trans community little support.

        • whoreticulture@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          10
          ·
          8 months ago

          So you’re threatening your support of the trans community based on whether or not people agree with your sports opinions. Or, at least you’re implying it’s legitimate that people would do so. L take. Transphobic vibes.

          • derf82@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            7
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            8 months ago

            Not agree, but willing to at least engage in a good faith discussion of issues rather than resorting to accusations of transphobia.

            • whoreticulture@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              5
              ·
              8 months ago

              This is not a good faith discussion on your part and the fact that you don’t realize that is why I’m calling you transphobic.

                • whoreticulture@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  arrow-down
                  2
                  ·
                  8 months ago

                  A good faith discussion starts with someone not being transphobic, and someone not tone-policing trans people for being concerned about the rampant transphobia on this post

          • ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            4
            arrow-down
            3
            ·
            8 months ago

            Anyone who disagrees with me is transphobic! It’s obviously not possible for me to be wrong!

    • whoreticulture@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      9
      arrow-down
      13
      ·
      8 months ago

      Every woman has variations in their hormone makeups and history. Besides, the pool of trans women athletes is just so small, and the amount of vitriol is so disproportionate and obviously rooted in transphobia.

      • derf82@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        13
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        8 months ago

        The variations between biological men and women are larger and more significant than those between women.

        And it isn’t that insignificant. Lia Thomas won an NCAA title, beating an Olympic silver medalist. Laurel Hubbard went to the Olympics. She lived as male 35 years before transitioning. She had given up weightlifting decades earlier. But at that age with little training, she suddenly qualified for the Olympics.