• Trek@union.place
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    8 months ago

    that’s just various examples of the working class owning (and managing) the means of production

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      8 months ago

      So the USSR was socialist? And so is North Korea? The state controls the means of production.

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        8 months ago

        Did I say they were? I was referring to “collective ownership (in a strict form) by a community or state [which]…take[s] the form of worker control, complete democratic control” as an example of the working class owning the means of production, and challenging the idea that “collective ownership” and “working class ownership of the means of production” are mutually exclusive.

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          8 months ago

          I didn’t say “which”, I said “could”. While what I said does include what you said, it also includes “collective ownership (in a strict form) by a community or state…which is technocratic beuracrat control”