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Shopping for a laptop as a Linux user:

Screenshot from the Simpsons where Otto is talking to Marge and Homer standing next to a window in their house with a caption “Oh wow, windows!.. I don’t think I can afford this place.”

  • Rikj000@discuss.tchncs.de
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    8 months ago

    I hate that nowadays everything comes with pre-installed spyware and that they charge you for it makes it even worse…

    • Want a TV? Suck on our Android TV with Google spyware embedded
    • Want a phone? Get our Android with Google spyware, or go for an Apple with Apple spyware
    • Want a computer? We’ll shove Windows spyware down your throat

    Ffs I just want devices that I own to not spy on me, and I can’t even buy them anymore…

    Each of them require flashing a custom privacy respecting OS onto it,
    and that’s a real problem…

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      Nice list, I would add routers (not everywhere). But for example here in Germany you get a device from your ISP for free but don’t try to change the DNS settings because your ISP wants to know what you are doing online.

      Only alternative is a fritzbox which is highly overpriced for a simple router+modem. >200€ for a cablerouter.

      I had to buy a used fritzbox, need to nearly hacked them for activating the deactivated bridge-mode and put a cheap Asus router on it with flashed openwrt.

      I needed 6 months for the whole setup.

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        Unless you are using DoH or DoT it does not matter which DNS server you have configured on the modem/router, DNS requests are sent as plain text so your ISP can still see them and will know which sites you are seeing.

        OpenWRT with DoH or DoT bypasses that problem, alternatively a VPN with custom DNS. Also a Pihole or Adguard instance never hurt. But at the end of the day someome owns those DNS servers and will likely log your use.

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          That’s exactly my setup. Openwrt + stubby + DoT. Which points to an external AdguardHome + unbound. Wireguard is also used.

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        You can’t just buy a modem? And modems are really that pricey where you are?. I can get a modem router combo for $150. Maybe $200 if I want to splurge a little bit that meets most of my needs. And then if you’re really worried about like linksys OS or something like that, you can just flash DDWRT onto it? I’m not saying the United States service providers are better, but does Germany service providers really make it that complicated to just have your own modem? Because it’s a super simple process in America. 6 months just seems insane to set up a router and modem

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      The tv thing is the most insane. Like I grew up used to knowing phones are all tapped and computers too. But I pay to not have ads on tv but my tv itself has ads. And I can run a Linux computer and we’re getting somewhere with spyware and ad free phones even if it’s not yet where I need to switch, but tv, fucking hell

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        8 months ago

        AFAIK, you can flash a de-googled version of Android TV on some devices, look up LineageOS’ website.

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      Yeah and try to load a custom OS into anything other than an computer is a nightmare, just last week while trying to install twrp recovery and flash a custom ROM which I been doing for quite some while hard bricked my phone, mad ended up fucking it completely by trying to fix it with mtkclient.

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      Unfortunately it’s concept which were in the past.Nowdays u are not owning ur device,you are actually just renting it. Unless new laws are passed that will prohibit such a business model.

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        8 months ago

        I do own my devices.

        Companies want you to not own the devices, and rent them through a subscription model,
        however I refuse to do that.

        If you do that / fall for that,
        then you’re part of the problem making such a future a reality…

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          I refuse this too,but i explained current trend and we will not able to do anything about it without law.

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          If you do that / fall for that, then you’re part of the problem making such a future a reality…

          Lots of peoples’ buying habits and trust-based attitudes were forged last century.
          It’ll take a generation or two for new habits to form.

          In the meanwhile modern businesses will make hay by selling trojan-horses to old school customers , and using the profits to tie-in new users to new services to try to capture/brainwash the next gen into thinking there is no choice.

          I think you’ll remain in the minority unless ‘ignorant’ consumers who ‘fall for that’ can become educated and learn about the options.

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      I build computers and sell them, and will put whatever OS you want on them, except Windows. If you want windows, I take $150 off the price of the tower.

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        I’m a developer, modder and privacy advocate, I know how to put a custom OS on my hardware, but I’m a minority.

        However the average joe does not,
        and they, the majority,
        are forced into using spyware.

        Often without them even knowing so,
        which is a true issue

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          I don’t have to install anything, and you’re getting a machine with a BIOS, but no OS. I tell my customers up front that I’m not going to put Windows on, though I am looking into the legality of possibly offering Tiny10, but that looks questionable.

          I’m not going to charge for work I didn’t do.

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      Apple spyware? Cute that you make shit up to justify your victimhood. The vendors that install actual spyware appreciate your ignorance.

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          You made the accusation, you back it up. I’m not doing the leg work for you.

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            Here are a few examples, but if you do some research like I told you to, you’ll stumble upon many more:

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              only person that cites sources instead of just being a kind of aggressive tool, this post deserves to be at the top fs

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              Click bait

              Click bait

              Hardware flaw

              None of this is spyware. Not a single piece.

              If I cared I could have guessed these were some of the examples you added to your “Apple is bad head cannon” but these still aren’t what is being alleged by the original poster, spyware.

              At best you can claim Apple is using terms and conditions to add wiggle room but again, not spyware.

              I asked if you know what spyware is but I get that it doesn’t matter. Your head cannon is unbeatable and it’s easier to dismiss me as a no nothing asshole. The crowd has spoke, this technology forum is more interested in groupthink than technology.

              • Rikj000@discuss.tchncs.de
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                What are your sources for debunking mine?
                Besides you just not liking to face the truth?

                Blanket surveillance is not clickbait,
                it’s spyware, and a problem.

                But sure continue to stick your head in the sand,
                that will surely help humanity beat this problem.

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                    Interesting point about non-conventional cookie practices flagging “privacy-first” users as unique to spying parties. I’d imagine this line of thinking harmonizes with the herd mentality, where if you stand outside of the herd you’re more likely to be spotted and targeted. Makes you wonder what practices users could engage to actually help combat privacy invasion, and which might backfire

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                    Lol, I’m done discussing with you fruity.

                    You’re blatantly ignoring / laughing away evidence to protect the image of a bad, but for some reason, you’re favorite spyware slinging company.

                    And on top of it,
                    now also bashing the privacy and linux communities since you can’t make valid debunkments :P

                    Instead of bashing,
                    to suck up to that spying company,
                    perhaps you should try defending your rights to privacy for a change.

                    You may rant in the void now,
                    I won’t waste time on your fanboy nonsense anymore.

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            Apple’s entire schtick is the walled off garden where they can control what you’re allowed to do and yes they spy on it