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- marchagainstnazis@lemmit.online
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- marchagainstnazis@lemmit.online
Comment on Headline: I don’t know if swarm is the right word, I think that implies they entered the home? I guess a group of insects is a swarm whether it’s inside or out. They had their Nazi party in the street, and the governor’s home is protected at all times by state police.
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Dozens of Neo-Nazis demonstrated outside the home of Massachusetts Gov. Maura Healey (D) on Saturday night, in an intimidating display of hate. Members of the group NSC-131 — which seeks to create a white-only ethnostate in New England — marched Saturday night through the Boston suburb of Arlington, uniformed in khakis, black jackets, face masks, and baseball caps.
The NSC-131 members moved under cover of darkness, co-opting the progressive activist chant, “Whose streets? Our streets!” The neo-Nazis then lined up on the sidewalk across the street from the Healey’s home, which was protected by state troopers. The group’s members lit red traffic flares, and held these aloft with stiff arm Hitler salutes. They unfurled a banner reading: “WE’RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE.”
The action by NSC-131 was an in-the-streets response to civil rights charges brought against the group by the state late last year. A 26-page complaint was lodged by Massachusetts Attorney General Andrea Joy Campbell (D) in December. Campbell denounced the group’s efforts to “target and terrorize people across Massachusetts and interfere with their rights,” and insisted the state of Massachusetts is dedicated to “holding this neo-Nazi group and its leaders accountable.”
That legal complaint hits NSC-131 for actions that “unlawfully target and disrupt LGBTQ+ events,” including drag queen story hours; “unlawfully target immigrants based on race and national origin,” including by trespassing at hotels where asylum seekers have been offered temporary housing; “unlawfully attack members of the public,” with frequent brawling at NSC-131 marches; and for numerous efforts to “disrupt public peace and safety.”
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Maura Healy was an aggressive lawyer for a long time before she was governor. I’m sure the AG is no exception.
Interesting that they think they are the ones not going anywhere in the state where America drew its first breath of liberty. Fuck Nazis.
Actions = speech too in the U.S. as long as those actions aren’t physical assault.
Huh. Now I’m even more curious. Is there nothing like the criminal offense “Insult”? So like you can sue someone if he insults you?
Generally not. If someone makes a specific false allegation against you and you can prove it, you can sue for libel or slander, but the burden of proof is quite high.
There is harassment, if someone is continuously following you around to hurl insults at you and generally make your life miserable, but again, the burden of proof is high and it’s less the insult itself that’s the legal issue and more the disruption to your ability to live your normal life. Making specific threats or calling for violence against a specific person can also be criminal.
But yeah, generally speaking, insults are protected speech. Expressing admiration for Hitler is constitutionally protected. Saying that Jews deserve to die is also probably going to be protected, but context will become relevant. If you continuously do it outside of a synagogue, there may be criminal liability. Saying that some specific Jew walking by should be killed to a crowd of people with the ability and interest to do it is absolutely illegal, full stop. LIkewise, calling someone a braindead waste of oxygen is constitutionally protected, while calling them a criminal pedophile is absolutely illegal (unless you can actually prove that it’s true).
You also need to show that harm resulted from it. And not just hurt feelings, it’s mostly about economic/financial harm, though social harm can play into it.
Only if it is slander or libel. If the insult is something like, “you’re an asshole,” no. If it is “you’re a pedophile,” potentially.
There is a big difference between criminal law and civil (tort) law. “Suing” takes place in civil court and is not a matter of actions being criminal offenses, violations, or “illegal,” and tort cases have different burdens of proof.
You can sue someone for just about anything, hence the concept of “frivolous lawsuits.” That wouldn’t need have anything to do with a criminal offense, of which, no, “insult” is generally not.
Slander or libel would fit that, but it needs to be false and the perpetrator needs to have done it with the intent to harm you.
If someone insults you but you haven’t been harmed, there’s nothing to sue for. You need to be damaged in some tangible way; Feelings don’t count. If you lose your job because someone lied about you, you could sue for lost wages. But if you haven’t been harmed, there are no damages.
If you fucked a goat, someone goes around town calling you a goatfucker, and causes you to lose your job as a result, it’s perfectly legal. It only becomes a crime when it’s false and you have been harmed.