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    One thing I absolutely cannot stand is the assumption that if you’re against the Israeli government, you must also be antisemitic. In many cases, nothing could be further from the truth.

    The Israeli government is just as screwed up as any powerful government, and is not immune to criticism. Groundless accusations of antisemitism are often used to unfairly attack critics, distract the listener from valid criticisms, and derail the conversation.

    Of course, many of those accusations are completely justified, which clouds the issue further.

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      It’s super tricky and problematic. Organizations like AIPAC have many American politicians in their pocket. They pump a huge amount of money into lobbying our government promoting Israeli interests. But this argument gets awfully close to “the Jews have all the money and control the world” type conspiracy thinking which is very frustrating.

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        Most definitely. Just as pointing out unwarranted accusations of antisemitism can sound like victim blaming, and saying that the Israeli government likes it that way can make you come off as a hateful, insensitive jerk.

        Various world politicians “wrap themselves in the flag” all the time. Israeli politicians do the same thing, but they’ve done an especially good job of weaving religion and patriotism together.

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      It’s a tactic to call all criticism antisemitism.

      Hell, the ADL was created to free a rapist murderer and try to frame a black man.

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    As an Israeli I just want to say: Please someone marry me I need that foreign passport to get out of this shithole :(

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    Israel is an apartheid state and fuck that shit. Instead of “Mowing the Lawn” (aka committing genocide by pushing Palestinians out of their homeland) and bombing schools and refugee camps, maybe try socialist policies that lift everyone up. Fuck fascism and fuck racism.

    I realize there’s important nuances I’m overlooking, but I watch enough Democracy Now to know that tiptoeing around or staying silent just gives room for Israel fascists to spread lies based on their feelings, not the truth. This shit’s depressing but fuckin important.

    And don’t take my word for it, check my sources!

    Democracy Now: “Automated Apartheid”: How Israel Uses Facial Recognition to Track Palestinians & Control Movement Understand that no database of a single ethnic or marginalized group has ever had good consequences in history, remember 1930s Germany?

    Democracy Now: From Drone Strikes to Settler Attacks, Israel Intensifies Effort to “Completely Take Over Palestine”

    Democracy Now: Under Fire: Report from Jenin Refugee Camp on Israel’s Largest West Bank Attack in 20 Years

    Democracy Now: “The Palestine Laboratory”: Antony Loewenstein on How Israel Exports the Technology of Occupation

    Jacobin: Israel Created the Refugees in Gaza That They’re Now Bombing

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    One party is actively banning books…

    And that’s just the tip of their Christofascist iceberg.

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      Primary for democrats and then yell at them once they’re elected. A lot.

      Politics isn’t a consumption based economy. It doesn’t change until you change it. MAGA people understand this.

      They’re counting on your apathy. Don’t let them.

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        Third party is voting for the fascist party. There aren’t enough floating votes for this system for a 3rd party to have a chance

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          Ranked Choice Voting (fairvote.org) or any other preference polling voting system significantly mitigates that problem.

          Then 3rd party can be a real strength for the political system, not just a weapon to use against your opponents.

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      You forgot to barf up the word “ethnostate” right after you barfed up “christofascist”.

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        Are you saying they aren’t DOING that very thing?
        Are you saying they AREN’T that very thing?

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      Vote better voting first. Any kind of preference polling would open the door to actually party reform and 3rd party viability. Ranked Choice Voting (fairvote.org) or anything other than first past the post as we mostly have now is a huge improvement.then vote 3rd party first, followed by the lesser of the old two evils. In no time that 3rd party will be a top contender, but only once we fix our voting system.

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      There’s generally two types of criticism against both parties.

      • The speaker is centrist and dislikes both equally (enlightened centrism)

      • The speaker is leftist and is criticizing both right wing parties for doing something right wing

      (Right wing critics usually just pretend to be centrist)

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    From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free 🇵🇸🗝️

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        Israel will never willingly give up the land they stole, the core of Zionist ideology is settler colonialism. The high court and the mainstream opposition parties made it clear that they are neither willing to let Jewish people coexist with Palestinians as equals nor dismantle the oppressive Zionist state.

        It is very short-sighted of you to claim that the only way to return land to their rightful owners is by voting for people who explicitly don’t want to do that.

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      I’ve seen Palestinian crowds chanting “Death to all Jews.” The gangrape of that reporter started by one dude in crowd deciding she’s a Jew and therefore fair game. A flash mob realizing a car is in the wrong neighborhood and immediately trying to kill them. Random rocket attacks on civilians foiled only by tech that costs 100x the weapons it defends against.

      I’m not saying Israel is justified, or they aren’t on their way to outright fascism, or they don’t get some murder and torture in on their own.

      I’m saying violence is a perpetual suffering machine that in this case is too late to solve, but we’re forgetting the British started it all, let’s invade England and execute the monarchy.

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        Oh I think you misunderstood some things there. I see a israeli security minister that is a straight up a right wing extremist. I see that cars from Palestinians can’t enter certain regions in order for them to not get into the “wrong” neighbourhoods. And most importantly of all I see journalists killed by the IDF. Imagine you are oppressed by a apartheid state that was put onto your land by some imperialistic force, but then expands even further into “your” territorry and surpresses you. I do NOT condone the actions by the Hamas. But when Palestinians see violence as the only way out I can see why.

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          And now you’re an Israeli who sees a radical Palestinian and says to themselves “well fuck these guys too then.”

          You see how this works? I don’t feel like the cycle of violence is a new observation. I feel like you should already know one side being bad doesn’t make the other good.

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            Yeah thing is that the gov of Israel is the source of the “cycle”. They create facts by building Israeli settlements on Palestinian territories and say “Welp guess you can’t live there any longer”, they commit warcrimes by falsely stating that they won’t attack, then airstrike, keep normal civilian Palestinians in the world’s largest open air prisons and only continue to strengthen their grip on the Palestinian people.

            Israel is the only party that can actually stop the violence. If the Hamas would stop their attacks it wouldn’t mean that the Palestinians will be treated equal to Israelis by the state. That’s like saying Ukrainians should stop defending their territory cuz they only prolong the suffering that way.

            And for most Israelis it’s sadly “fuck the Palestinians” and not “specifically fuck the actually radical Palestinians” thanks to rigorous propaganda.

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              When Israel was broadly behaving like they didn’t have a wannabe fascist dictator obsessed with an Israeli Manifest Destiny as PM it didn’t stop Hamas either. Do you think if Netanyahu goes to prison where he belongs they’ll suddenly accept the two state solution?

              Because as it is only Fatah seems willing to accept that, and they’re hemorrhaging support.

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        I’ve seen Palestinian crowds chanting “Death to all Jews.”

        Yeah no shit. That’s a natural reaction to jewish people suddenly invading their country and killing their families. Try harder

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          “It’s completely normal to scream for genocide. No, obviously Israel doesn’t get the same benefit in this multi-generational conflict initially caused by outside sources.”

          And you great minds wonder why people assume being anti-Israel is just hidden anti-Semitism lol