Live coverage thread of the International Court of Justice and the case of South Africa vs. Israel.

  • Oliofizodos@feddit.de
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    10 months ago

    Expected and disappointing statement. This just backs the non-statement of saying Israel should “do what it can” to protect civilians. The simplest way to protect civilians is to order an immediate ceasefire. This will help Biden to continue supporting the genocidal campaign that Israel is conducting on the Palestinians, because nothing he says opposes the ICJ.

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      10 months ago

      I’d add, I’m not happy with the “yeah, come back in a month” phrasing. Israel could see that as “Oh, so as long as we finish this in a month…?”

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        10 months ago

        Yeah absolutely, since their wording is so vague there’s not really a bar that they would need to meet.

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          10 months ago

          And at least one Israeli official’s response is patently offensive:

          "12m ago 08.10 EST

          Israel’s security minister responds to ICJ ruling by tweeting ‘Hague Shmague’

          Itamar Ben-Gvir has responded to the ICJ ruling by tweeting: “Hague Shmague”.

          The South African government said it welcomed the provisional measures the ICJ had ordered against Israel."

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      10 months ago

      Israel is not genocidal, and this trial result supports that.

      Ordering an immediate ceasefire would be the world binding Israel’s hands, preventing the nation from defending itself against Hamas before Israel achieves meaningful security goals.

      The simplest way to protect civilians is for Hamas to return the hostages and immediately end the war, the next best way is to let Israel take out the terrorist government that keeps instigating violence and attacking theirs.

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        10 months ago

        Israel is not genocidal

        That is absolutely NOT the ruling of this court.

        "Judge Donoghue says the court has decided that Israel must “take all measures within its its power” to prevent all acts within the scope of the genocide convention.

        She adds that Israel must ensure “with immediate effect” that its forces do not commit any of the act in the genocide convention."

        Since Israel is the only force attacking Palestinians, the order to prevent all acts under the genocide convention “with immediate effect” means that the court IS in fact recognizing Israel is committing genocidal acts against the Palestinian people and that they, and they alone, have the obligation to stop it.

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        10 months ago

        The trial supports the opposite of what this comment is indicating. The role of the ICJ is to determine whether Israel’s alleged actions are capable of being covered by the Genocide Convention. Today they decided that this is indeed the case and the measures they announced, as meager as they are, are legally binding. A final decision will be probably only made in a couple of years.

      • jorge@sopuli.xyz
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        9 months ago

        from defending itself against Hamas before Israel achieves meaningful security goals

        Please explain to me, in what world “defending against Hamas” (which are islamist terrorists) and “achieving meaningful security goals” includes bombing a Greek Orthodox Christian church?

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          9 months ago

          They always answer the same. It had Hamas in it. Or under it. Behind every dead child and woman is a member of Hamas. All 26,000 of them.

      • NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social
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        10 months ago

        We don’t expect Hamas to do anything good because they are terrorists.

        We used to expect Israel to do good things because they used to not be terrorists.