It’s almost as bad as the socialist and communist economics frequently paraded on Lemmy. Just one more try and it will work perfectly this time, right?
There’s several “left” ways of solving all those problems, and some of them are actually used by economic systems of all kinds. Welfare capitalism, welfare states, socialism, social market economics, democratic socialism, universal basic income, etc etc.
If you look to the modern* conservative movement as a whole, they (you) are looking to tear apart these institutions if they exist; are against them if they would solve the problems being faced by people today and at best, want to leave them in exact shape they are right now, and not change them to address the actual issues being faced by society.
I don’t advocate for a communist overthrow of society; I advocate that SOMEONE fucking does SOMETHING. Those on the right, do not want to do that, they just want to play devils advocate. “the immigrants are using up all the social welfare!” They (you) say. And when one replies “So, you support social welfare for non-immigrants” the answer from conservatives is still “no”.
If you can find some modern conservative, right wing parties that have actual plans for solving things like the housing crisis, let me know. No cheating and picking someone from the center right; those parties are in the CENTER for a reason, and don’t count towards this.
Bonus : Look through history and see how the right/conservatives have dealt with the needs of people : SPOILERS : they fucked it up real good. A great one comes to mind is when Thatcher sold off all the social housing in britain, and now slum landlords of families that bought the social housing they were living in are renting those shitholes out to multiple young professionals so they live ass to ass like chickens in a coop. My source? I lived in one such shithole.
EDIT : Do you ever actually participate in threads that you didn’t make yourself? Are you even a real user?
EDIT 2 : * By modern I mean in the last 20 years. The Tories under Benjamin Disraeli or Republicans under Abe Lincoln are not modern.
Housing shortages aren’t solved because of what would happen if it was. To solve the housing issue, you’d need to lower the price by increasing supply. Why are people against that? Because then you have tons of people who already own an home underwater on their loans. It’s really unfortunate but this is how a lot of people think about the housing issue.
I think most of these issues are complex and beyond left or right wing ideologies. Truth is, at least here in the states, both the democrat and republican parties are bought and controlled by the ultra-wealthy. The ultra-wealthy don’t want these issues solved because then they would lose revenue streams.
And I’m sure you have your assumptions of me but while I lean conservative I am pro-union and in favor of rules promoting small businesses while breaking up large monopolies.
Oh yeah, both sides bad. And what, you think that the right wingers/conservatives are on the side of the working class economically? You think that the parties that are screaming to cut taxes of the wealthy (check the tax cuts handed out by the R in 2016-2020, check out the actual way they manipulate the bills in house and senate) are actually behaving and tell me you’re not getting conned hand over fist.
while I lean conservative I am pro-union
You cannot support corporations , the rich , and conservatives and be Pro-union. The only unions conservatives support, are ironically based on ideology, like coal or petrol extraction.
Unlike the right to work definition as a human right in international law, U.S. right-to-work laws do not aim to provide a general guarantee of employment to people seeking work but rather guarantee an employee’s right to refrain from paying or being a member of a labor union.
When (if) you look at those wikipedia articles, you will notice that the “right to work 😉” states are generally R voting, conservative ones. You know, the same party you seem to vote for if you’re not underage or not even from the US, since you don’t actually participate in Lemmy as a whole, and post articles to conservative communities and reply to your own posts only.
Conservatives are not pro union. Unions are a left wing way for workers to collectively get a better deal at the expense of capitalists.
And again, we (allegedly) both want something to be done. Conservatives will do nothing.
To solve the housing issue, you’d need to lower the price by increasing supply. Why are people against that? Because then you have tons of people who already own an home underwater on their loans. It’s really unfortunate but this is how a lot of people think about the housing issue.
Wow, sucks for them for having played the game and lost. Oh well, it’s a financial risk. Shouldn’t have bought a house you couldn’t afford. Also, cite reference, people with mortgages that are dependant on the market are the people that set up this fucking issue to begin with, so let them go bankrupt, you’re right wing, right? It’s personal responsibility and part of the risk of investment. These aren’t families with someone working to pay off the mortgage, it’s an asshole that decided to take out 3 mortgages and pretend they’re an investor, or it’s a faceless corporation, possibly owned by (dun dun dun) FOREIGNERS!!!
I agree with a lot of what you say. But do you really think the democrat party is not ran by the ultra-wealthy as well? I mean look at how they swept bernie sanders under the rug. He was the best candidate of your party in decades.
Housing shortages are also driven by regulations. Not saying that’s good or bad but we have regulations that govern everything. The condo I have took 5 years to build due to the zoning, environment inspections, etc.
That’s a long lead time to build a home when there is already a shortage.
Sure buddy. Because you’re totally reached the pinnacle of politics, and everyone who doesn’t agree with you is just too stupid to realize it.
oh shit, I forgot I stepped into retard HQ. Let me know when trickle down economics works, because it didn’t kick in 40 years after Reagen
This not-subreddit has Conservative in the name so you DID walk into retard HQ.
Trickle down economics is a pile of shit. So is the left’s identity politics and terrible policies on immigration
Here’s hoping in 40 years you’ll realise that the Austrian school of economics, and all other conservative idealogy is a pile of shit too.
It’s almost as bad as the socialist and communist economics frequently paraded on Lemmy. Just one more try and it will work perfectly this time, right?
There’s several “left” ways of solving all those problems, and some of them are actually used by economic systems of all kinds. Welfare capitalism, welfare states, socialism, social market economics, democratic socialism, universal basic income, etc etc.
If you look to the modern* conservative movement as a whole, they (you) are looking to tear apart these institutions if they exist; are against them if they would solve the problems being faced by people today and at best, want to leave them in exact shape they are right now, and not change them to address the actual issues being faced by society.
I don’t advocate for a communist overthrow of society; I advocate that SOMEONE fucking does SOMETHING. Those on the right, do not want to do that, they just want to play devils advocate. “the immigrants are using up all the social welfare!” They (you) say. And when one replies “So, you support social welfare for non-immigrants” the answer from conservatives is still “no”.
If you can find some modern conservative, right wing parties that have actual plans for solving things like the housing crisis, let me know. No cheating and picking someone from the center right; those parties are in the CENTER for a reason, and don’t count towards this.
Bonus : Look through history and see how the right/conservatives have dealt with the needs of people : SPOILERS : they fucked it up real good. A great one comes to mind is when Thatcher sold off all the social housing in britain, and now slum landlords of families that bought the social housing they were living in are renting those shitholes out to multiple young professionals so they live ass to ass like chickens in a coop. My source? I lived in one such shithole.
EDIT : Do you ever actually participate in threads that you didn’t make yourself? Are you even a real user?
EDIT 2 : * By modern I mean in the last 20 years. The Tories under Benjamin Disraeli or Republicans under Abe Lincoln are not modern.
Housing shortages aren’t solved because of what would happen if it was. To solve the housing issue, you’d need to lower the price by increasing supply. Why are people against that? Because then you have tons of people who already own an home underwater on their loans. It’s really unfortunate but this is how a lot of people think about the housing issue.
I think most of these issues are complex and beyond left or right wing ideologies. Truth is, at least here in the states, both the democrat and republican parties are bought and controlled by the ultra-wealthy. The ultra-wealthy don’t want these issues solved because then they would lose revenue streams.
And I’m sure you have your assumptions of me but while I lean conservative I am pro-union and in favor of rules promoting small businesses while breaking up large monopolies.
Oh yeah, both sides bad. And what, you think that the right wingers/conservatives are on the side of the working class economically? You think that the parties that are screaming to cut taxes of the wealthy (check the tax cuts handed out by the R in 2016-2020, check out the actual way they manipulate the bills in house and senate) are actually behaving and tell me you’re not getting conned hand over fist.
You cannot support corporations , the rich , and conservatives and be Pro-union. The only unions conservatives support, are ironically based on ideology, like coal or petrol extraction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law#U.S._states_with_right-to-work_laws
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law
When (if) you look at those wikipedia articles, you will notice that the “right to work 😉” states are generally R voting, conservative ones. You know, the same party you seem to vote for if you’re not underage or not even from the US, since you don’t actually participate in Lemmy as a whole, and post articles to conservative communities and reply to your own posts only.
Conservatives are not pro union. Unions are a left wing way for workers to collectively get a better deal at the expense of capitalists.
And again, we (allegedly) both want something to be done. Conservatives will do nothing.
Wow, sucks for them for having played the game and lost. Oh well, it’s a financial risk. Shouldn’t have bought a house you couldn’t afford. Also, cite reference, people with mortgages that are dependant on the market are the people that set up this fucking issue to begin with, so let them go bankrupt, you’re right wing, right? It’s personal responsibility and part of the risk of investment. These aren’t families with someone working to pay off the mortgage, it’s an asshole that decided to take out 3 mortgages and pretend they’re an investor, or it’s a faceless corporation, possibly owned by (dun dun dun) FOREIGNERS!!!
I agree with a lot of what you say. But do you really think the democrat party is not ran by the ultra-wealthy as well? I mean look at how they swept bernie sanders under the rug. He was the best candidate of your party in decades.
Housing shortages are also driven by regulations. Not saying that’s good or bad but we have regulations that govern everything. The condo I have took 5 years to build due to the zoning, environment inspections, etc.
That’s a long lead time to build a home when there is already a shortage.
Agreed. Gone are the days when you could build your own house. Codes are too complex now and it’s made building too expensive
I’ll take trickle down over modem money theory. Mmt is a larger pile of shit