Considering the XC90 Recharge but the recharge time of 5 hours - is a really big negative - in doing further research the Volvo website says with two phase charging the total charge time is 3 hours. Does anyone use two phase charging in the U.S.?
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Two phase? Like phases that are 90 degrees out of alignment? No.
Normal US is two 120V phases that are 180 degree apart for 240VAC.
You can do 2 phases of a 3 phase system for 208 VAC.
Normal US is two 120V phases
It’s a lost cause, but for anyone else who comes along and reads this, be aware that it’s false. The US has single phase 240V for residential service. There’s a center tap neutral that gets fed from the transformer to the home which allows customers to choose between 120V or 240V circuits as appropriate for their needs.
They are effectively the exact same thing.
Only if you have an extremely narrow viewpoint. There are practical implications of neutral/hot vs hot/hot even if the end result is 120V in both cases.
Do you only sleep 3 hours a night?
I am always saddened by the fact the United States is locked into a sub-optimal grid topology. Providing three phase 400V power to all customers results in so much more reliable a system. Just can’t see a credible way from where we are today to worldwide best practices though.
Maybe 3 phase 208 should be the goal. That would be a hard transition but at least all the 120 volt devices would keep working and we wouldn’t need to change outlets.
What a ridiculous hot take. I suggest doing a bit more research on the grid before getting sad about non-problems.
I am always saddened by the fact the United States is locked into a sub-optimal grid topology
I am not sure I understand? Most of the transmission lines I see are three phase. It is only at the residential distribution level that we see single phase. Most commercial sites are three phase and as noted most DC fast chargers are three phase. I don’t see anything sub optimal about that.
How does the lack of an additional phase mean anything for reliability? The 240V system is just fine.
3 phase 208 is very common in commercial buildings and apartment buildings in the US. We just only deliver two of those phases to a single apartment giving effectively single phase 208v power.
Lots of public L2 chargers are actually 208V instead of 240V because of this. For example a 6.6kW L2 charger is likely 208V / 32A.
There is no such thing as 2 phase electricity.
To be fair the Volvo site they linked two does indeed say two-phase, I’m tying to get my head around that!
You bought a plug in hybrid. Just use the hybrid part when the battery depletes. That’s the whole point.
If you need more battery power, buy a full EV.
That wasn’t the question. Your reading comprehension is very low. The question was : does phase two charging exist in the U.S.? Here is the answer : NO. But it does exist in Europe and maybe other parts of the world. And it significantly reduces the time to charge. Now go back to playing with your blocks or wherever mentally challenged people like you do for fun.
People like you shouldn’t have a car plug in, Ev, or otherwise.
And I didn’t buy anything you f’ing moron. Where does it say I purchased a hybrid? Where? In the comments I mention I am considering . . . . People like you have f’ucked up Reddit . . .
It’s a PHEV with a pretty small battery
I’m not sure what the issue is. It’s a plug in hybrid the idea being that you plug it in whenever it’s not in use. For the likes of a working day or overnight then 5 hours is entirely sufficient.
I think you’re looking to solve a problem that doesn’t exist.
Two phase charging exist in Europe. Almost all European manufacturers allow for two phase charging (Volvo, Mercedes, VW, Porsche) - it allows for charging faster than the typical level 2 , but of course far slower than level 3. It is a legitimate question as it concerns charging electric cars, and charging infrastructure.
- I have been amazed at the response - many people like you basically said something to the effect of : who cares it’s a stupid question - just plug it in and go. . . Duh . . .
Some people argues against the existence of two phase charging - these people were saddest.
And some people explained (thank you) what two phase charging is and how it works, and also confirmed it’s not available in the U.S.
This is still a relevant question : it involves electric cars and charging and charging infrastructure.
But the amount of people downvoting me and insulting me for even asking the question has been eye opening.
The very value of Reddit is that people asked questions and sometimes knowledgeable people answers those questions, which is valuable for future people . . . . That’s one of the very fundamental reasons why Reddit is valuable.
But many of you would prefer questions aren’t asked. Hilariously wrong answers get upvoted, comments that do not seek to answer the question get upvoted . . . . Legitimate answers get down voted.
I have been on Reddit for over 15 years. It sad that it has descends into a juvenile sophomoric moronic space.
I was going to delete my question, but as two phase chafing is a thing particularly in the UK - I will leave it up to you . . . Otherwise I am taking a break from Reddit.
I had to Wikipedia 2 phase to figure out it was ever even a thing, which it obviously isn’t now.
Curious if a 3 phase service changes anything about charging / chargers. Are there chargers that actually use 3 phase somehow? Or would they just use 3 phase as a source of 120/208 single phase?
Since railroads went a different way for electricity, “2-phase” now means “2 of 3 phases”.
That is typical in urban apartments, where the supply is 120/208V 3-phase, yet they want to use cheap 120/240V split-phase consumer tier electrical panels that are $69 at Home Depot. They simply grab 2 of the phases and neutral, and don’t bring the 3rd phase. 3-phase panels do exist in the industrial space, but they’re not anywhere near $69, boy howdy.