It’s going to happen with the 911 too. We are at an end of the ICE age (no pun intended) so get them before they get electrified either as a hybrid or full electric.
They said 911, at least the best trims like GT3, together with all classic cars, will be totally ice and manual forever thanks to e-fuel (Porsche is investing A LOT of money in them)
I get that some people don’t like change, but non-hybrid ICE should have been dead 10 years ago. Zero downsides to at least a mild hybrid setup, and using crappy stop-start systems is an ugly kludge.
Put a small motor in the transmission to start the engine and improve off the line, but most importantly stop wasting energy with friction brakes.
Zero downsides to at least a mild hybrid setup, and using crappy stop-start systems is an ugly kludge.
For something like a GT3 RS or GT4 RS? Hybrid is definitely a downside. You want those mechanical, raw, and light, and the downside of the hybrid is absolutely not worth the benefit for a car with that purpose.
For something like a 911 cabriolet? Yeah, hybrid kinda makes sense there.
My brother was supposed to get one of the Panamera Turbo S Sport Turismo but the pandemic really screwed us over on that end. Dealer kept trying to get us to switch us to a GTS Sport Turismo instead because no allocations were coming.
We ended up getting a 2023 AMG GT63 S instead. The week after our car got delivered, we found out that US order books were closed, there’d be no more non-hybrid GT63 S coming and ours was the one of the last allocations for those.
I wouldn’t worry about it. People have been hailing the end of NA V8s for since at least 2017, which is when reviews for my car first came out. The market wants them, and luxury margins are too good to pass up for any manufacturer.
Well most people can’t even afford a hybrid or electric vehicle, leaving ICE as the only option. These doomsayers need to relax, we’re still at least a decade off from manufacturers stopping ICE production.
The current Turbo S E-Hybrid is now the upcoming Turbo E-Hybrid. Eventually, the top one will return and be 700 hp+ easy
They have to compete with the new s63e
It’s going to happen with the 911 too. We are at an end of the ICE age (no pun intended) so get them before they get electrified either as a hybrid or full electric.
They said 911, at least the best trims like GT3, together with all classic cars, will be totally ice and manual forever thanks to e-fuel (Porsche is investing A LOT of money in them)
I’m personally fine with bottom trims being hybrid and top trims being ICE, plus with the botique rule they can keep ICE for an extra while
I get that some people don’t like change, but non-hybrid ICE should have been dead 10 years ago. Zero downsides to at least a mild hybrid setup, and using crappy stop-start systems is an ugly kludge.
Put a small motor in the transmission to start the engine and improve off the line, but most importantly stop wasting energy with friction brakes.
Mild hybrids are a fine-tuning nightmare for the engineers. Then you have reliability in the content heat-soaking conditions.
Mild-hybrids are good looking on marketing brochures, real-world users barely notice the benefits.
Also, still extra weight
People complain about the modern 992 being to fat at 3300 lbs.
This man wants to throw a battery in there and say it’s got no downside.
For something like a GT3 RS or GT4 RS? Hybrid is definitely a downside. You want those mechanical, raw, and light, and the downside of the hybrid is absolutely not worth the benefit for a car with that purpose.
For something like a 911 cabriolet? Yeah, hybrid kinda makes sense there.
My brother was supposed to get one of the Panamera Turbo S Sport Turismo but the pandemic really screwed us over on that end. Dealer kept trying to get us to switch us to a GTS Sport Turismo instead because no allocations were coming.
We ended up getting a 2023 AMG GT63 S instead. The week after our car got delivered, we found out that US order books were closed, there’d be no more non-hybrid GT63 S coming and ours was the one of the last allocations for those.
I think I’m gonna end up keeping my 991.2 forever until I die so I can have an ICE car.
This makes me feel like Scrat and the acorn is a non hybrid, big output sports car that I can’t afford just yet.
I wouldn’t worry about it. People have been hailing the end of NA V8s for since at least 2017, which is when reviews for my car first came out. The market wants them, and luxury margins are too good to pass up for any manufacturer.
Well most people can’t even afford a hybrid or electric vehicle, leaving ICE as the only option. These doomsayers need to relax, we’re still at least a decade off from manufacturers stopping ICE production.
Most people can’t afford any new car, so they’re not really a factor in what manufacturers are building.