Hello, Just trying to gain some perspective here as I was at both dealers today and for the first time laid eyes and touched the interior of both the Ioniq 5 and ID4 and I was greatly disappointed with the interior quality of the Ioniq 5 in terms of material choices. Don’t get me wrong, I think the Ioniq looks good, tech is good, and specs are good. It’s pretty much scratchy hard plastic everywhere, even in high touch areas like door armrests. In contrast I checked out 2 ID4s afterwards and was pretty much “blown” away with the materials used - when having just seen the Ioniq 5.
Is this normal? EVs aren’t cheap vehicles and I understand the big part of cost are the electrical components like the battery, but the interior quality alone is greatly steering me towards an ID4 instead of the Ioniq 5… Along with an apparent 3 year wait for the Ioniq 5 AWD in Canada.
Yes, people do not realize the diminishing returns of charging speed.
Going from 50 kW to 100 kW is a huge improvement, which can save you hours on a road trip.
Another doubling, going from 100 kW to 200 kW is nice, but not really life changing.
Another doubling, going from 200 kW to 400 kW is “Okay, I saved 5 minutes, but that just means that I couldn’t finish my coffee.”.
Own a Tesla model Y here, and yah, shared gen2 super chargers kinda suck, but now it’s mostly all Gen3 I land on, and ughhh yah. I end up with more charge than I need to go home by the time I go pee and grab a drink and a snack.
I seriously imagine the people who were excited about 800v are peeing in bottles while driving 3000 miles a day.
Yea, I stopped at a 250kw supercharger yesterday. Tesla likes to route you to an older 150kw unit in this area for some reason. The 250 is newer and has way more stalls. The 150kw was also more expensive. The 150kw is closer to the route so I’m sure that’s why.
Anyway, I stopped to get some lunch before I started charging. I was ready to resume my trip before I finished my cheeseburger. Granted, I wasn’t on a super long trip so I just needed to add about 20% but it only took maybe 5 minutes.
As I understand it, if you have common lithium ion batteries, faster charging degrades your battery capacity over time. How much degradation is caused by extra fast charging vs slower, IDK. I just thought it worth mentioning.
Apparently, the latest lithium polymer batteries are not as sensitive to state-of-charge. So, you can use the full capacity, 1-100%, without concern for accelerated degradation. Whether or not the lithium polymer batteries handle fast charging better as well, IDK.
Each doubling also means you’re more likely to be limited by the charger. Often you only have 150 kW chargers and the best charging cars can’t do any better than those with good charging.
There’s no diminishing returns; it’s a linear relationship. Double the speed is double the speed, unless you’re comparing cars with different sized battery packs. The Ioniq 5 and the id4 are similarly sized though.
Here’s an article https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-charging.html#table. In that test the Ioniq 5 gained 100mi of range in 08 min 54 sec, and the id4 did the same in 15 min 09 sec.
OTOH, if you don’t always find an 800V 350kW charger then you may not be gaining as much.