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life does actually auto balance, even in humans. Ever noticed countries with higher child mortality rates having higher birth rates too? Other animals have similar behaviours
Until the sun goes out…
Did you just read “the last question?” Entropy will fuck with you
Entropy’s a bitch.
What do you mean?
That doesn’t change that growth isn’t not limited
Exactly. Even if we discovered lightspeed travel tomorrow, journeyed out as far as we could possibly go (i.e. the edge of our local supercluster of galaxies), there would still only be a finite amount of resources available.
Even if those resources would be functionally infinite over a single human lifetime, you’d find on the scale of the universe, they’re very much not.
The only thing that might even grow infinitely is the universe itself, and even that we’re not sure of.
You don’t seem to grasp the idea that nature doesn’t try to grow limitless. It’s finite and will remain that way
Because that’s not exactly how it works. Nature is finite not because it doesn’t try to grow limitlessly, it’s that nature grows in equilibrium with the resources and space available in the system/environment.
That often results in the same thing, but the distinction is very important, as if tomorrow there suddenly were infinite resources and space, nature wouldn’t just sit there and go “nah, I don’t do infinite growth”, it would quickly adapt to just grow endlessly.
On a smaller scale, this is what happens with algae blooms before they run out of resources and die off back into equilibrium with their environment.
The only reason complex creatures can even exist is because of genes made to restrain this behaviour in an organism’s own cells, turn those off and you get the cellular equivalent of an algae bloom in your body.
Even then, plenty of organisms do that very same thing, like the rabbit swarms in Australia or Locust swarms in various parts of the world.
Nature doesn’t aim for infinity, but it’s not not aiming for it either. If the environment allowed, that’s what would happen.
It sounds like we’ve got the same idea here
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The sun is part of our closed system. It won’t last forever, and without it no life will survive, and even if it does, the remaining resources needed to survive are fundamentally limited on the scale of eternity.
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it’s about the excerize of taking concepts to an absurd logical extreme. It’s fun! Tho yes, futile
There are other more pressing issues, but the sun going out will happen and it will fuck us if we’re still around. If we’ve moved to other stars, those will eventually go out too. There’s no point worrying about it, because it’s unstoppable
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I could tell a great math joke you wouldn’t get either.
The assumption of the infinite is not an axiom of life but of the philosophical principle of Will. Which is fine if you embrace paradox and assume a will that is sufficiently exercised can live forever - and I see how biology could become a model for such an idea. But it’s not intrinsic in biology. That said, the idea of infinite repetition or perpetuation of the finite is no problem at least from a Nietzschean perspective…
Are you going for a brain worm bingo? I hear roko calling…
Many capitalist models depend on exponential growth. That doesn’t exist in nature (I think to even in cancer so I too disagree with the original meme on some level but agree with the overall notion)
What is very common in biology is logistic growth, or the “S curve”. It starts like an exponential function, looks almost linear in the middle and approaches a maximum at the end.
You can model it as an exponential curve if you’re only interested in the beginning but to extrapolate it further is just wrong.
Take lily in a pond. It might double each day for a while, but will slow down eventually. When it covers half the area at one day, it won’t cover it all the next. At that point, it takes as long to cover everything except what it did at the start, as it took to cover half the pond from the start (approximately of cause).
Economic models often don’t take this into account but just assume exponential growth which is wrong and not found in biology.
Limitless != exponential.
Many capitalist models depend on
exponentiallimitless growth. That doesn’t exist in natureI mean, that doesn’t change much. There ain’t no other limitless growth in life, is there? The key difference between exponential logistic growth is that the latter has a limite.
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Do you know any useful biological models that are limitless and not exponential? You seem to think that “life is based on” them?
Also the exponential discussion is a red-herring. You just picked out a detail that was misstated, and pretend to win.
Now seriously, have you ever heard anyone claim life is based on unlimited growth (outside of this meme)?
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until the resources or something else intervenes
Sounds like a limit to me. The entire point is that economic models often don’t take this kind of limits into account. Source: read a book
Sounds like a limit to me. The entire point is that economic models often don’t take this kind of limits into account.
You need to re-read the meme. You’re so close but you can’t see the forest for the trees.
Limitless as in time, not quantity.
What does that even mean? Time is on the x-axis, what is on the y-axis if not quantity?
Your entire premise is false because you’re illiterate.
Sorry for reading the wrong books apparently…
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I really roll my eyes about the “dismantle the capitalist system because food costs money” memes. Like dude, dismantle it to what? Do you think no one starves when there’s no capitalism?
“We’ve tried nothing and nothing works”
I wonder how many of the downvotes think ‘Reductio ad absurdum’ is a spell from Harry Potter and not a Latin philosophical phrase.
I wonder how many downvotes are because this meme suck and its ‘point’ is moot?
Less than there are upvotes thinking the opposite. Oh no the troglodytes are outnumbered :(
I coughed while trying to say it out loud and a demon appeared, unfortunately the demon only speaks Aramaic so now we’re both confused.
No your mistake was not exclusively criticizing capitalism on lemmy. This place is dumb.
