The first Iraq war was similar to Ukraine in terms of morality of USA’s involvement. Kuwait was assaulted by Iraq, and the international community (USA and its allies, supported by UN) intervened to stop that.
In the other cases you mentioned, USA was the primary aggressor, in the same way as Russia has been in Ukraine since 2014. And in the same way morally on very shaky ground.
Thanks for replying. This one made me think. I’ve written a longer response here, https://lemmygrad.ml/post/1022436, the start of which is not intended to be passive aggressive. I just wanted to frame it so as to deal with the issues rather than your personal interpretation.
As an aside, I have to like this new method of discussion many of you lemmygrad people are now employing. It’s like you had a planning meeting where somebody said “perhaps we shouldn’t be assholes, that doesn’t convince people”.
To the point, unfortunately I didn’t have time to look at this thoroughly since it was a long post, but the first thing I noticed was the Washington Post article, i.e.
There is some evidence that the US green lit Saddam’s invasion of Kuwait and the plan to annex the north. Part of the claim is that the US
instructed its ambassador to Baghdad to tell Saddam “in effect” that he could “take the northern part of Kuwait.”
This seems to be slightly taken from context, as it’s a claim made by the presidential candidate Ross Perot. The rest of the article seems to suggest that no evidence exists which constitutes a message that the US gave the green light to Iraq on the invasion of Kuwait.
For one thing, this is a violent land grab. For another, this the effort and will of what… 50 countries? Vs about five: China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela. And those 50 countries are on average much more democratic than Russia and it’s allies.
Lol imagine thinking you have an iota of democracy when you can’t even get a broken leg fixed without dying from debt. You can’t even be unemployed without it being a literal death sentence.
Imagine thinking China, Russia, Iran, North Korea and Venezuela were not made into the countries they are today through the direct interference into their political systems by the some of the 50 ciuntries you mentioned.
The UN has consistently voted against Russia on this. There are a handful of authoritarian that back Russia but globally support for Ukraine is unparalleled.
No, the world really doesn’t stand with Russia, if you have any understanding of international relations you would see that. Even the countries that have voted to support Russia are represented by relatively authoritarian governments.
YouTube hosts videos. It doesn’t directly create content of it’s own. The video in question, which merely happens to be hosted on YouTube, was produced by a media organisation, Democracy Now.
No, base your “worldview” on the echo chamber in these Ukraine threads, they all learned their “worldview” in Crusader Kings 3. Some of em in “Mein Kampf” it would seem.
First time in my lifetime I’ve seen the US military might truly used for something good.
Me too. I’ve opposed every US war that occured in my 50 year life except this one.
when you’re on the side of the US state department, you’ve done something wrong
Yup.
Before-the-events, did you think the same about Libya, Afghanistan, or Iraq?
The first Iraq war was similar to Ukraine in terms of morality of USA’s involvement. Kuwait was assaulted by Iraq, and the international community (USA and its allies, supported by UN) intervened to stop that.
In the other cases you mentioned, USA was the primary aggressor, in the same way as Russia has been in Ukraine since 2014. And in the same way morally on very shaky ground.
Thanks for replying. This one made me think. I’ve written a longer response here, https://lemmygrad.ml/post/1022436, the start of which is not intended to be passive aggressive. I just wanted to frame it so as to deal with the issues rather than your personal interpretation.
As an aside, I have to like this new method of discussion many of you lemmygrad people are now employing. It’s like you had a planning meeting where somebody said “perhaps we shouldn’t be assholes, that doesn’t convince people”.
To the point, unfortunately I didn’t have time to look at this thoroughly since it was a long post, but the first thing I noticed was the Washington Post article, i.e.
This seems to be slightly taken from context, as it’s a claim made by the presidential candidate Ross Perot. The rest of the article seems to suggest that no evidence exists which constitutes a message that the US gave the green light to Iraq on the invasion of Kuwait.
No.
Why not? What’s different about this one?
For one thing, this is a violent land grab. For another, this the effort and will of what… 50 countries? Vs about five: China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela. And those 50 countries are on average much more democratic than Russia and it’s allies.
Lol imagine thinking you have an iota of democracy when you can’t even get a broken leg fixed without dying from debt. You can’t even be unemployed without it being a literal death sentence.
Imagine thinking China, Russia, Iran, North Korea and Venezuela were not made into the countries they are today through the direct interference into their political systems by the some of the 50 ciuntries you mentioned.
You’ve been brainwashed. The world stands with Russia on this and is opposed to America’s war in Ukraine. The most provoked war in living memory.
The UN has consistently voted against Russia on this. There are a handful of authoritarian that back Russia but globally support for Ukraine is unparalleled.
These are mostly countries that are bullied into voting this way by the US. It doesn’t reflect real sentiment.
No, the world really doesn’t stand with Russia, if you have any understanding of international relations you would see that. Even the countries that have voted to support Russia are represented by relatively authoritarian governments.
And you’re not suspicious at all, as to why that’s the case?
It’s infuriating to me to see Democracy Now reporting get downvoted. 🤬
Hold on just a minute while I base my worldview on YouTube…
Democracy Now! Is a 501©3 non-profit news organization that was founded in 1996… What are you talking about? They are one of the oldest and one of the few non corporate news agencies in the country…
But keep getting your news from black rock backed sources I guess.
YouTube hosts videos. It doesn’t directly create content of it’s own. The video in question, which merely happens to be hosted on YouTube, was produced by a media organisation, Democracy Now.
No, base your “worldview” on the echo chamber in these Ukraine threads, they all learned their “worldview” in Crusader Kings 3. Some of em in “Mein Kampf” it would seem.