Gotta be a troll at this point.
Getting mad at factual statements now? Must be slow at the drama factory.
Fascism, socialism and communism are closer than many people want to admit
Italy was socialist before becoming fascist
vanguardist communism as enviosioned and implemented by V.I Lenin had many tendencies concerningly close to many fascist tendencies
If you think that, then you have no fucking clue what fascism, socialism or communism are.
Any class in control of the state becomes the ruling class, by definition, no?
Our Glorious Leaders vs Their Barbaric Ruling Class
Democratically elected by 99% of the population, of course. Don’t ask why nobody else was on the ballot.
Ah yes, the strong state of the moneyless classless stateless society
Didnt cowbee also admit they never been to China? 🤔
(Edit: Cant find the comment now, maybe it was another ML user, so many of them that its hard to keep track of lmfao)
There was a comment somewhere where they sort of admitted they’re USian and don’t vote because they think they’re a sanctioned terrorist for having socialist views.
Highly likely a very young, very online person who idealizes “non-Western” world powers because living here is understandably unpleasant lol, but still not great.
Its the “Lacking the perspective to make comparison”.
For western leftists, everything is theory, but for those that have seen it, its reality, a core memory.
Its funny how western MLs keep trying to justify to their views by saying “But actchually China is democratic!” then presents paragraphs of arguements of arguments, graphs, charts, quotes
But actual average people in China is just like “yea idc about politics, I just want to make enough money to live”. They dont even bother doing much mental gymnastics to justify simping for Xi, they know all the “elections” are predetermined. Besides, I dont think I’ve ever heard of my parents talk about an election in China, not even sham ones. I heard about that in villages, they elect the village chief, but thats about it as far as “elections” go. Its just that unimportant that it doesnt ever get much of a mention, cuz people already know the “results”.
My parents went to visit recently, the neighborhood in Guangzhou we used to live in still looks dirty and dilapidated. I mean I have photos from our old apartment take in just a few months ago this year, its actually more dirtier than I remembered. That squat toilet thing actually just trigger my germaphobia, feels like my photo album is “tainted” lol. Its weird too, 10 minuts away from that dirty apartment building area is a relatively modern looking mall, walking that 10 minutes probably feels like walking though a time travel wormhole connecting the past to the future. Like a western tourist would never see this unless they go out of their way. Literally 10 minuts of walking is the difference between the common “China is so advanced” narrative and the “urban villages”, those dirty buildings I talked about.
Obviously the west isnt anywhere close to being a utopia either. There are neighborhood in Philly that looks like you could get mugged. But I have the memories and family’s first hand accounts to make a comparison. So for those without this perspective to compare, they’d probably be like “ugh this place is bad” but those who know would be a bit more appreciative of the thing that they do have.
There shouldn’t be a state to control in a truly communist system.
That’s not how that works
It’s kind of unavoidable. It’s why communism has a purity problem. The REAL versions has never been tried. Except it has and it only works with small communities. It doesn’t scale.
It’s because those who control the resources have the power. In small communities, it’s much harder for one or a few people to control resources.
Because if they do hoard the community gathers up and beats them down.
It’ll wither away any day now.
We’re what, 77 years with a “revolutionary” government in place? Any day now…
just because it bears repeating. They’re communist in the same way Charles Manson was a pacifist. Leninism and fascism are practically singularity as they put the state and its chosen above all. And if you disagree, you disappear into prison or worse.
Controlling a state isn’t working-class work. The instant your working-class people take control of the state, they either become ruler class out of necessity or fail at the job.
Abolish states!
There’s a reason modern democratic governments have checks and balances as well as systems to find justice
People are easily corrupted. You can’t have stateless society. That just doesn’t work for any period of time since the most evil and aggressive people in sociaty will rise to the top.
People are easily corrupted.
That’s not really the problem. The problem is we continually give power over ourselves to the most corrupt people among us. We do it willingly.
You can’t have stateless society.
Null thesis.
That just doesn’t work for any period of time since the most evil and aggressive people in sociaty will rise to the top.
Only in a society which has a top one can rise to, and which not only permits but encourages competition for some imagined “top”.
As a democratic socialist, I kind of disagree with the abolition of states. Sure decentralization would do us good.
But if someone calls themself a communist, I would expect them to be for the abolition of states or at least work towards it (which tankies don’t do).
Socialists, anarchists and actual communists are welcome here.
Meanwhile tankies, nazis and other fash adjacent ideologies aren’t welcome.
How?
We can start by ceasing to elevate and worship Big People. We have a nasty habit of grooming, enabling, and platforming our own future oppressors.
How do you spread the word without celebrities?
Foster a culture that prizes the words over the mouth they come out of.
Once again, how?
How to not worship celebrities and foster a culture that does the same: You just don’t do it. You don’t teach others to do it. You don’t reward others if they do it. You tell aspiring Big People to get over themselves. You don’t give them money or ad revenue or a platform or word of mouth.
All of which requires power and authority
People gravitate towards charismatic people. If you don’t reward them, others will. How do you get the group that doesn’t do the rewarding?
It’s weird how you folks are so obsessed with what they say to each other on that site. Just thought you should know.
The fuck is ML?
Never heard of a Marxist-Leninist before?
Yes I have, but there are so many words that begin with M and L that I din’t even know where to start guessing.
Well on MoG, ML means Marxist Leninist. I don’t know what else ML is supposed to mean in this comm.
It showed up on my feed. I was curious, but there is no way that I could look that up. There must be thousands of things that would come up.
