• mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
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    4 days ago

    Please don’t write off the possibility of artificial consciousness, just because this isn’t it. Thought is a process which meat can perform.

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      3 days ago

      I mean, sure consciousness is (probably) a physical process, so like any other process we should be able to replicate it with some sort of machine.

      …but I really really really doubt that machine is going to be a plain old Turing machine.

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        3 days ago

        Every machine is a plain old Turing machine.

        Even quantum computing is just a shortcut for a subset of hideous obscure proofs. They aren’t doing different math. Special pleading is a fallacy… except when I do it, that’s different.

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          3 days ago

          I don’t quite think my lawnmower is boolean complete.

          And while quantum computing may be expressible algorithmically (dunno, your claim, not mine), that doesn’t mean all of quantum physics is.

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        2 days ago

        We’ve yet to be able to replicate it from the old parts of meat we know are involved in it with the addition of electricity in the ways it should need in even the much simpler flesh of insects, amphibians, and reptiles. Best we can do is make a muscle twitch without causing observable thought/emergent nureaul processes.

        So even if we can, we’re so far from it that thinking we’re on the cusp seems delusional to me.

        Edit: as response shows, we have in fact also gotten it brain cell “twitches” by direct stimulation of braincells. Sadly it didn’t seem to be rigged up to measure overall brain activity.