This comment is funny because it further reinforces the point: Obama didn’t start that war, and he was unable to cleanly exit it without leaving Afghanistan for the Taliban, which as we’ve seen has been disastrous for that country’s girls and women.
There are exactly three choices in every general election:
The viable party.
The other viable party.
Not participating in the election at all.
You might think there are other options like write-ins, protest votes, or third parties. Unfortunately, those are all permutations of #3: nonparticipation.
Nobody here is saying they love Democrats. The party is about as popular as boiled cabbage at a chili competition. But when served with those three choices, participating in the election is important, which narrows it down to #1 or #2, and it’s really not hard to choose between the GOP and the Democrats. The Democrats sent your brother to war. The Republicans started that war, sent way more people to it, killed more civilians, and made withdrawing impossible. The Democrats are also more likely to offer mental healthcare to your brother.
Obama didn’t start that war, and he was unable to cleanly exit it without leaving Afghan for the Taliban.
Gasp! Oh no! He couldn’t leave or the Taliban would be left in charge!
Hey, remind me again who exactly is in charge of Afghanistan right now?
The Taliban were always going to win because the war was unwinnable from the first day, and it was even more unwinnable by the time Obama took office. He just had to pour countless lives into it first to accomplish nothing whatsoever. What, just so we could say we gave it the “ol’ college try?”
and it’s really not hard to choose between the GOP and the Democrats.
Let me be absolutely clear: I would sooner die than even consider supporting anyone responsible for the war. There is no choice to be made. You could drag me into a voting booth at gunpoint, and I’d tell you to pull the trigger. This is the thing that you fuckers need to get through your thick fucking skulls. What they did is fundamentally unforgivable, and they should be behind bars.
K well as long as you’re unwilling to vote strategically, you’ll continue to allow evil fascists to take over the US. The rest of us will try to elect progressives in primaries and support the most left-leaning viable candidate in the general election because that’s how you defeat fascists if your society isn’t ready for a revolution yet, and ours isn’t. Too many full bellies and entertained morons.
Oh no! If the evil fascists take over, they might start a war of aggression that kills hundreds of thousands of innocent people or something! Just imagine!
There’s a discussion to be had about potentially supporting imperfect candidates, but every single one of you takes it to a ridiculous extreme, such that even outright genocide is no biggie. It’s completely ridiculous, utterly absurd. Frankly, yours is not a view that should even be tolerated in society.
A complete and total refusal to hold politicians to any degree of accountability for literally anything, treating them as completely above the law. This is exactly why the term Blue MAGA is completely appropriate. You are the moderate wing of fascism.
You wanting an ideal world isn’t just going to magically make it happen. Unfortunately we have to live in reality where nuance is real.
You could drag me into a voting booth at gunpoint, and I’d tell you to pull the trigger. This is the thing that you fuckers need to get through your thick fucking skulls.
No we get it. You’re an extremist and live in a fantasy world where nuance doesn’t exist and your extreme idea of morality is the only option.
Unfortunately we have to live with you (who you honestly seem like a moral person but unfortunately don’t understand that politics and most of life is about compromise) and the sociopaths on the other side who will exploit your morality to get everything they want. Your inability to understand the nuance is only good for the sociopaths.
Us, the realists, who understand that Obama couldn’t just pack up and leave also understand that you can’t understand that.
Us, the realists, who understand that Obama couldn’t just pack up and leave also understand that you can’t understand that.
WHY THE FUCK NOT? That’s literally exactly what Biden did, the only difference is that we spend an extra decade pouring endless amounts of blood and treasure, to accomplish NOTHING. “Realist,” my ass.
Realism was recognizing that the war was lost from the minute it started, because the occupation could not last forever and the moment it ended the puppet government would collapse. Calling yourself a “realist,” while pretending that a decades long occupation was a “mistake” is completely absurd.
There’s plenty of room for nuance, on certain topics. Not on this. Not the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of civilians. If Trump killed a hundred thousand people in New York City, would you be talking about “nuance?” Was the Holocaust “nuanced?” There’s a fucking line to be drawn, and there’s exactly one reason why Afghans are on one side of the line to me and the other to you, and it’s that you don’t see them as actual human beings.
This comment is funny because it further reinforces the point: Obama didn’t start that war, and he was unable to cleanly exit it without leaving Afghanistan for the Taliban, which as we’ve seen has been disastrous for that country’s girls and women.
There are exactly three choices in every general election:
The viable party.
The other viable party.
Not participating in the election at all.
You might think there are other options like write-ins, protest votes, or third parties. Unfortunately, those are all permutations of #3: nonparticipation.
Nobody here is saying they love Democrats. The party is about as popular as boiled cabbage at a chili competition. But when served with those three choices, participating in the election is important, which narrows it down to #1 or #2, and it’s really not hard to choose between the GOP and the Democrats. The Democrats sent your brother to war. The Republicans started that war, sent way more people to it, killed more civilians, and made withdrawing impossible. The Democrats are also more likely to offer mental healthcare to your brother.
Gasp! Oh no! He couldn’t leave or the Taliban would be left in charge!
Hey, remind me again who exactly is in charge of Afghanistan right now?
The Taliban were always going to win because the war was unwinnable from the first day, and it was even more unwinnable by the time Obama took office. He just had to pour countless lives into it first to accomplish nothing whatsoever. What, just so we could say we gave it the “ol’ college try?”
Let me be absolutely clear: I would sooner die than even consider supporting anyone responsible for the war. There is no choice to be made. You could drag me into a voting booth at gunpoint, and I’d tell you to pull the trigger. This is the thing that you fuckers need to get through your thick fucking skulls. What they did is fundamentally unforgivable, and they should be behind bars.
K well as long as you’re unwilling to vote strategically, you’ll continue to allow evil fascists to take over the US. The rest of us will try to elect progressives in primaries and support the most left-leaning viable candidate in the general election because that’s how you defeat fascists if your society isn’t ready for a revolution yet, and ours isn’t. Too many full bellies and entertained morons.
Oh no! If the evil fascists take over, they might start a war of aggression that kills hundreds of thousands of innocent people or something! Just imagine!
There’s a discussion to be had about potentially supporting imperfect candidates, but every single one of you takes it to a ridiculous extreme, such that even outright genocide is no biggie. It’s completely ridiculous, utterly absurd. Frankly, yours is not a view that should even be tolerated in society.
A complete and total refusal to hold politicians to any degree of accountability for literally anything, treating them as completely above the law. This is exactly why the term Blue MAGA is completely appropriate. You are the moderate wing of fascism.
This is one of those phrases that tells everyone exactly what they need to know about you. Have a great day!
Worse from talking to you.
You wanting an ideal world isn’t just going to magically make it happen. Unfortunately we have to live in reality where nuance is real.
No we get it. You’re an extremist and live in a fantasy world where nuance doesn’t exist and your extreme idea of morality is the only option.
Unfortunately we have to live with you (who you honestly seem like a moral person but unfortunately don’t understand that politics and most of life is about compromise) and the sociopaths on the other side who will exploit your morality to get everything they want. Your inability to understand the nuance is only good for the sociopaths.
Us, the realists, who understand that Obama couldn’t just pack up and leave also understand that you can’t understand that.
WHY THE FUCK NOT? That’s literally exactly what Biden did, the only difference is that we spend an extra decade pouring endless amounts of blood and treasure, to accomplish NOTHING. “Realist,” my ass.
Realism was recognizing that the war was lost from the minute it started, because the occupation could not last forever and the moment it ended the puppet government would collapse. Calling yourself a “realist,” while pretending that a decades long occupation was a “mistake” is completely absurd.
There’s plenty of room for nuance, on certain topics. Not on this. Not the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of civilians. If Trump killed a hundred thousand people in New York City, would you be talking about “nuance?” Was the Holocaust “nuanced?” There’s a fucking line to be drawn, and there’s exactly one reason why Afghans are on one side of the line to me and the other to you, and it’s that you don’t see them as actual human beings.