• DudleyMason@lemmy.ml
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    2 hours ago

    Your inability (or more likely refusal) to understand simple concepts doesn’t invalidate those concepts.

    There is nothing arbitrary about “people who support a militarized ethnostate” nor about “people who support state violence against a designated out group”.

    No part of the "ten Nazis at the table is about sharing space, it’s about it ignoring their atrocities and being friendly with monsters.

    If you want people not to say you’re a Nazi, why don’t you try just saying without any prevarication “masked secret police snatching people off the street because of their race is wrong, that’s Nazi behavior and people who support it shouldn’t be tolerated”.

    You won’t. Because you clearly do support that kind of behavior.

    • daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      2 hours ago

      Now you are just manipulating my arguments.

      As I never denied that people who support a militarized ethostate is a nazi. Nor denying their atrocities.

      What I say, and you deny is that not every person who voted republican support a militarized ethostate. Even if Trump is doing precisely that with their vote. Politicians lie and manipulate their voters all the time.

      The people you are describing is clearly nazi, and at no point in any comments I said anything different.

      What I’ve clearly said is that not every republican wants that. By my own knowledge of knowing republicans that doesn’t want that. Believe or not, I know republicans that doesn’t want secret police snatching people of the street because their race.

      Here comes some important concept, the reality you and me see is not the same that other people see. You and I see ICE actuations and we do see the SS. But there are people that doesn’t see that, some of them genuinely don’t think that they are doing that. Are they on the wrong? Yes, but not because they are nazis, but because they are missinformed and manipulated.

      A think that’s very common in politics is the inability to see the crimes of “your party” and this happens to many republicans, they are just blind to the atrocities committed by Trump. Other see that atrocities, don’t support them but still vote Trump for other reasons. Specially in a two party system people don’t agree with 100% of what the party they vote do.

      Still, they are on the wrong for that. And I’m not saying they are good people. Some of them even not being nazis are bad people. Some of them vote republicans because they hate gay folk or trans folk. By definition homophobia or transfobia is no nazism even if it is as bad as nazism.

      The point you keep missing is that there is bad beyond nazism. And one of my main arguments is that that is precisely a very dangerous line of though because is a line of though that has a convenient ease to label truly good people as bad, and truly evil people as good. And that should never happen in a good moral system.

      Also, people don’t call me nazi. You are the only one who calls me that. As any rational person who talks to me 5 minutes about any topic can clearly seen what’s my political leaning. So I’m not really worry.