There are also a plurality of underlying issues not explored by this, because it’s treated as first order only problem. Like… why is it that people become intolerant and why they blame certain groups for things.
And usually that’s underlying economic or inequality conditions in the society or other forms of social upheaval… which people generally don’t want to address so much as they want to focus on the social sorting of hating and being hateful as the ‘solution’. It’s much easier to be tolerant when you are in an environment where members are all roughly of equal status, harder when there are perceived or real inequalities and abuses of power.
Real world is more complicated because people don’t hate for no reason. They may, have very legit reasons, and you likely may have the same reasons directed towards a different group.
Everyone does vastly over simplify this, because well, they want to use is as a litmus test to prove they are good and other people are bad, and that’s the only ‘use’ of this principle. Which is what folks do with a lot of moral/social guidelines… they want to reduce them to sorting mechanisms with themselves on the ‘right’ side of the sort… and if you challenge that notion maybe it’s not that simple… you must be one of the ‘bad’ people.
Further, everyone is intolerant of something. Even if they won’t admit it. Nor will they admit… that they and everyone else make mistakes. People’s mind and behaviors change… a whole other second order factor also totally outside the scope of this ‘paradox’. and for a lot of folks on lemmy… you can’t ever change or be reformed from your previous views… etc.
We also have the wonderful case of social movements that seek to turn innocuous behaviors into intolerable assaults on themselves, like the ‘manspreading’ nonsense from Tumblr.
I think it’s better understood as a phenomena, not a principle or a rule or any of that. You don’t have to ‘accept’ or ‘reject’ it. You should think about it though, about the implications of where you draw the line, because in real life it is never as clean as ‘nazis bad, everyone non-nazi good’, and there are so many legal and other examples that get into murkey waters.
There are also a plurality of underlying issues not explored by this, because it’s treated as first order only problem. Like… why is it that people become intolerant and why they blame certain groups for things.
And usually that’s underlying economic or inequality conditions in the society or other forms of social upheaval… which people generally don’t want to address so much as they want to focus on the social sorting of hating and being hateful as the ‘solution’. It’s much easier to be tolerant when you are in an environment where members are all roughly of equal status, harder when there are perceived or real inequalities and abuses of power.
Real world is more complicated because people don’t hate for no reason. They may, have very legit reasons, and you likely may have the same reasons directed towards a different group.
Everyone does vastly over simplify this, because well, they want to use is as a litmus test to prove they are good and other people are bad, and that’s the only ‘use’ of this principle. Which is what folks do with a lot of moral/social guidelines… they want to reduce them to sorting mechanisms with themselves on the ‘right’ side of the sort… and if you challenge that notion maybe it’s not that simple… you must be one of the ‘bad’ people.
Further, everyone is intolerant of something. Even if they won’t admit it. Nor will they admit… that they and everyone else make mistakes. People’s mind and behaviors change… a whole other second order factor also totally outside the scope of this ‘paradox’. and for a lot of folks on lemmy… you can’t ever change or be reformed from your previous views… etc.
We also have the wonderful case of social movements that seek to turn innocuous behaviors into intolerable assaults on themselves, like the ‘manspreading’ nonsense from Tumblr.
I think it’s better understood as a phenomena, not a principle or a rule or any of that. You don’t have to ‘accept’ or ‘reject’ it. You should think about it though, about the implications of where you draw the line, because in real life it is never as clean as ‘nazis bad, everyone non-nazi good’, and there are so many legal and other examples that get into murkey waters.