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  • Talcosis@lemmy.zip
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    20 hours ago

    Directly and indirectly, including through inaction, huh? So pretty much every baby in the world is a literal manifestation of evil or worse.

    I rarely take claims of russophobia seriously. You sir are a russophobe.

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      20 hours ago

      You sir must be a really good farmer with how quickly you build strawmen.

      You instantly zero in on anything you can stretch into “bigotry” that is directed against russia but ignore blatant systemic bigotry in support of them. If pointing that out makes me a russophobe, then I’m clearly not trying hard enough.

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        19 hours ago

        Wtf is “systemic bigotry in support of Russia”? Are you talking about Russian propaganda? Yeah, that’s common. Spreading around is a pretty defining feature of propaganda.

        Because claiming that an entire nationality is fundamentally and irredeemably evil is pretty clearly bigotry.

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          15 hours ago

          This is you claiming all citizens are military targets

          Second, Israel has what’s called a Schrodinger’s civilian, in that every citizen has undergone military training so in this case I think the settlers count as military.

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              15 hours ago

              You’re saying civilians count as military targets because they may have undergone military training, yes.

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                14 hours ago

                Did I claim that they are all inherently and incorrigibly evil?

                Edit: Ukraine is quite clearly in the right in this situation, and they are justified in using whatever military means possible to achieve the following two war goals:

                1. Retaking all territory lost to the Russian invasion
                2. Removing, by whichever means is convenient, all combatants affiliated with Russia from said territory.

                And yes, civilians (Russia also has a draft, but it’s a bit easier to cheat I think) will die in the process. It’s war. Shit happens.

                The only way Ukraine can become the bad guy in this situation is if they meet both of the above conditions, and then seek to continue an offensive war. This becomes a lot easier when you see your enemy not as a simple enemy, but as literally demonic evil. Which is what “orc” refers to both in fantasy and history. Soldiers, those directly involved in the war effort, I get that. Still not a fan, but that’s at least a direct enemy. Every Russian ever? No.

                edit2: You will note that this is what Israel did. They removed Hamas from within their territory (with some details, Assume gaza/west bank ain’t theirs), and then went on an offensive war to grab land. You will also note the sheer amount of dehumanizing rhetoric pointed at Palestine, Lebanon, and Syria that allowed this to happen.

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                  12 hours ago

                  Did I claim that they are all inherently and incorrigibly evil?

                  no you claimed that civilians count as military targets if they have undergone military training

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                    8 hours ago

                    Oh, well then that’s just entirely irrelevant to the topic of bigotry, isn’t it?

                    That’s just you digging through my entire posting history looking for reasons. Classy. You happen to wear meta/perv glasses? You’re giving me that vibe.