• AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml
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    12 days ago

    The writer literally calls Ukraine “nazi-riddled”. It’s like the main Russian propaganda talking point.

    Does it matter to you whether it’s true or not? Obviously it’s Russian propaganda, but that doesn’t make automatically untrue.

    Read this on the topic: Ukraine’s military has a real Nazi problem. It’s an actually well written article by a Ukrainian academic with PHD in history.

    The larger issue is that you think you’re not reading propaganda yourself. That there is a free press that reports objectively. Even if there was, it wouldn’t be presented equally to you because of algorithms. Obviously you can’t trust what the enemy writes, but it’s equally foolish to trust what your own captured news media are telling you. It’s approaching a fever pitch here. CRIMINAL PROSECUTION for sharing a video.

    This isn’t about hate speech, this is about a difference of opinion on a geopolitical conflict, a proxy war. Imagine you weren’t allowed to share videos because they are all “main Palestinian talking points”.

    I’m honestly fucking shocked. I didn’t imagine we’d get here this fast.

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      12 days ago

      Does it matter to you whether it’s true or not? Obviously it’s Russian propaganda, but that doesn’t make automatically untrue.

      using “these people exist in this country” as justification for bombing and killing their citizens is exactly what Israel is doing with Palestine right now (hamas is there!!! blow everything up and take their land). This is the exact same thing. It doesn’t matter how true it is, there is zero reason to justify attacking another country in the modern day and age. Zero. I don’t care if the entire country is 100% nazis. Someone existing in another country does not justify any sort of attack.

      So yeah, having that be in a news article used as justification just proves that the propaganda is working. Even on that Ukrainian PhD. It’s irrelevant how many nazis are there. Let Ukraine deal with that.

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        11 days ago

        So in other words, you don’t care if something is true or false, if it’s “politically incorrect” it needs to be suppressed and it’s morally wrong to point it out. MAGAts, climate change deniers or anti-vaxxer do the same.

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          10 days ago

          LOL. Read the whole article and not the only part that is comfortable for you. Because some specialists believed this way only when russia wasn’t engaged in war and hasn’t have mobilization.

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            10 days ago

            I’ve read the book. Russia isn’t unequal based on racial identity. You could make the case it’s more sexist and that misogyny is a form of fascism too. But state policy is that the genders are equal. Putin is a sociopath, a dictator, a tyrant or a totalitarian, but he’s not a fascist.

            Mobilizing and going to war simply doesn’t make a country fascist. You’d also have to apply the label to all countries who joined the illegally war on Iraq and Afghanistan.

            I hate Putin’s Russia. Mostly because of the decades of agitprop he pumped into destabilizing western democracy and his climate change denial. He and his cronies deserve death.

            But that doesn’t change the historical facts of how regime change came about in Ukraine, that the CIA/NED funded the main Euromaidan organizer and collaborated with the extremist right wing forces there. It doesn’t change the fact that Ukraine is being used by the US and now the EU to bloody Russia, for geopolitical purposes. It doesn’t change the fact that NATO is historically and in fact enemies with Russia and that they have legit security concerns. That there were and still could be diplomatic solutions. That this needless war is severely damaging European stability and transferring massive amounts of wealth to the military industrial complex. That the entire western mainstream media is engaging in disinformation on the history and whitewashing the Ukraine nazi problem. That we’re literally loosing our freedom of expression.

            Two things can be true at once. Putin can be a heinous monster, and everything about the war can be a lie and wrong.

            I’m honestly shocked how many liberals outright deny facts for political correctness. I see no differents to MAGAts or climate change deniers here. I guess there is also a vast amount of political operatives and volunteers active on Reddit and Lemmy to shut down any opposition to the war and the facts.