The Pennsylvania Democrat recalled his time serving as a Hillary Clinton surrogate in 2016, even after he supported Bernie Sanders in the primary.

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        The time for that vote is in the primaries. THAT’S when you make your stand, have your protest, and try to move the party left. Otherwise you are ignoring someone that you agree with 50% of the time and helping someone you agree with 0% of the time.

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          Who’s our primary choice against Biden? Remember when the DnC fucked Bernie?

          The choice between a soft R vs a hard R is hardly a choice.

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            The DNC didn’t “fuck over” Bernie. He lost. I voted for him in the primary, and would have loved to see him win the nomination. But he didn’t, so I voted for the next best thing (and, you know, the non-fascist).

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              Except he didnt lose. Clyburn endorsed Biden and then everyone suddenly dropped out. Obama went on a smug, shit-eating Bernie bashing tour, proving that he was never anything more than a conservative plant.

              As someone else said, soft Rs are not a reasonable option versus hard Rs.

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                My understanding was that people are referring to his primary loss against Hillary when they blame the DNC for his loss. But, to be clear, you’re talking about his primary loss to Biden?

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                  You mean when he was far ahead of Biden in the polls?..when he won Iowa but Buttegieg declared victory there prematurely for some reason?

                  Yes. That one also

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              That’s some revisionist history. Some of us still remember Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

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          The DCCC has admitted that they don’t respect primaries and have actively chosen against primary results.

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              They specifically admitted to it in the 2016 race. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz got some heat for it. Then in the 2020 race Biden was at the bottom of the primaries then suddenly Clyburn endorsed him and everyone else dropped out. Biden did not win with voter approval; he won with trump disapproval. It will always be a tainted win for a guy who openly championed right wing ideas and who lost three previous attempts to run.

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                Biden “openly championed right wing ideas”? When, in the fucking 90s? And absolutely nothing happened in the years since.

                Completely ignore that he’s the most progressive president we’ve had since FDR. Or LBJ at the very least.

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                  He had been in favor of abolishing social safety nets all the way up until he was picked by Obama. He was picked as a sympathetic vote for conservatives, as most VPs are. Biden was not picked for his progressive record.

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                Would you be considered good at math? Im asking because the “math” that people have used to prove Sanders “won” is really flawed.

                Biden polled better vs Trump and many stepped aside rather than risk a dictatorship in the USA.

                As an aside your notion of “right wing” is either historically inaccurate or you are being inappropriately eurocentric in your views.

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                  So what do you call America conservatives who have successfulky encouraged violence against other cirizens, consistently lied on every policy position, taken control of all broadcast airwaves, and are desperately trying to re-elect a failure and a criminal?

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          Move the party left? Unless you have the ability to own our own politicians, there is no ‘move the party left’

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        This is exactly what I’m talking about. Keep putting more people in power that have zero interest in democracy and possibly plan to end it, and then…what?

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        That’ll teach em!

        Too bad they’ll never have another chance when the GOP finally seizes power as they intend and finishes off what’s left of our democracy.

        But at least you made your point!

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          How many decades have we heard Democracy is on the line? Or Democracy is on the ballot? There is no democracy in the US, money has a say in our government and policy, the plebs do not. Youve been sold a bill of fear, and you paid full price for it

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                No. You are arguing in bad faith. There was a coordinated plan to have pence reject the results and use a false set of electors in several states to change the results. This is unique to republicans. It won’t be the last time

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                  Im not arguing in bad faith, Im pointing out democrats are as toxic as their counterparts. While trying to hold the moral authority that they are above such actions.

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          But you people said this last time. If you truly believe your democracy is that shit you should be protesting against it instead of being some kind of willing hostage.

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            We did say this the last time. You do know there was a coordinated plan to overturn that election right?

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              Well the Feds rigged the election anyway. Both sides of the party are trying to rig the election. Doesn’t say much for your democracy.

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                Found the shill

                “both sides are trying to rig the election” lol shut the fuck up, fascist, we don’t want you go back to Russia

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          Against conservative anti-humanitarian capitalists in the center and conservative anti-humanitarian capitalists on the right and conservative anti-humanitarian capitalists on the far right, it is indeed an uphill battle. It kindof proves that even Democrats want fascism to win.