My point is accurately summarized within the article itself:
UC Berkeley Associate Professor Jovan Scott Lewis, who is on the IGS faculty advisory board and a member of the task force, said the poll’s question about cash payments misled respondents into thinking that reparations are “nothing more than a handout.” The question did not specify the task force’s basis for financial reimbursement, he argued in a statement to the Chronicle, and implied that payments were “for being Black in California and experiencing racism, as a generic condition of being Black.”
My point is, any brief statement on solving this controversial problem is going to be incomplete, at best. At worst, it’s going to produce a biased negative response.
I’m not so sure. I think cash payment will always be interpreted as a handout regardless of content or context. Whitey doesn’t want to pay what he owes. You can’t escape that.
As a whitey, I refuse to consider any reparations to black people, who California never enslaved, prior to native people, who California did enslave, and massacred too. Descendents of the exploited Asians who came here should probably be in that discussion too. Any discussion of reparations to Black people and exclusively Black people is a handout.
California was a free state from the start. Not to say it didnt benifit, but its pretty hard to quantify that in any meaningful way. Plus the state has a far more notable and easier to quantify list of autrocities, the scalp hunting of native americans being the largest and most brutal.
Any reperation like system should be on a socio-economic level, prioritize historically poor areas first. Not to say you cant give direct reperations for certain things, for example it shouldnt be too hard to track down families whos properties were serized for the construction of the Interstate system, most of who were minorities or poor.
It’s possible to quantify the import/export values with the slave holding states, and from there determine the economic benefits slavery had in non slave holding states.
This discussion is kinda pointless, though, because whitey will never pay for his crimes. Not any of them. Not for the genocides, not for enslavement, not for land theft, nothing. Whitey will never willingly give up what he took.
And what exactly did people nowadays take, you can quantify damages for the living IE those who suffered under segregation. But using my ancestors for example, while they were no John Brown they still tortured and killed a solid number of slave hunters for fun.
White aint a unified block, a Polish american may benefit from the social circumstances of being white but their ancestors probably had no attachments to the institutions themselves.
But why am I wasting my time with ya, every person who ive heard use the term whitey unironically has been a whelp not worth talking to.
Generational wealth means that white people today benefit from the wealth created by slavery, even if slavery ended a long time ago. They benefit even if their family never owned slaves, because the economic gains from slavery benefitted all of white America. America was built by slaves and it has to pay for that, but the white voting bloc won’t let it happen.
It isn’t a contest. Slavery and genocide are both bad and this country should be forced to pay for both! There’s no reason to pit these issues against each other.
Within California, yeah, the genocide was worse than the slavery. But fuck, slavery isn’t just forced labor. It’s also rape, imprisonment, torture, and worse. California still benefitted from that system, even if they didn’t own their own slaves.
Reparations for all of Amerikkka’s victims. Bankrupt this shithole demon country to pay back the untold trillions in damages it owes.
So how come you’re not arguing for native reparations except when called out on it? It absolutely is a contest in that there’s not infinite money. And natives deserve it more. They should be first in line. We stole their entire land and massacred almost their entire population. Our homes rest on the graves of their ancestors.
You don’t care about equity or reparations, you just want a cash grab.
My point is accurately summarized within the article itself:
My point is, any brief statement on solving this controversial problem is going to be incomplete, at best. At worst, it’s going to produce a biased negative response.
I’m not so sure. I think cash payment will always be interpreted as a handout regardless of content or context. Whitey doesn’t want to pay what he owes. You can’t escape that.
As a whitey, I refuse to consider any reparations to black people, who California never enslaved, prior to native people, who California did enslave, and massacred too. Descendents of the exploited Asians who came here should probably be in that discussion too. Any discussion of reparations to Black people and exclusively Black people is a handout.
Y’all are still American lol
Do you think California didn’t benefit at all from slavery?
California was a free state from the start. Not to say it didnt benifit, but its pretty hard to quantify that in any meaningful way. Plus the state has a far more notable and easier to quantify list of autrocities, the scalp hunting of native americans being the largest and most brutal.
Any reperation like system should be on a socio-economic level, prioritize historically poor areas first. Not to say you cant give direct reperations for certain things, for example it shouldnt be too hard to track down families whos properties were serized for the construction of the Interstate system, most of who were minorities or poor.
It’s possible to quantify the import/export values with the slave holding states, and from there determine the economic benefits slavery had in non slave holding states.
This discussion is kinda pointless, though, because whitey will never pay for his crimes. Not any of them. Not for the genocides, not for enslavement, not for land theft, nothing. Whitey will never willingly give up what he took.
And what exactly did people nowadays take, you can quantify damages for the living IE those who suffered under segregation. But using my ancestors for example, while they were no John Brown they still tortured and killed a solid number of slave hunters for fun.
White aint a unified block, a Polish american may benefit from the social circumstances of being white but their ancestors probably had no attachments to the institutions themselves. But why am I wasting my time with ya, every person who ive heard use the term whitey unironically has been a whelp not worth talking to.
Generational wealth means that white people today benefit from the wealth created by slavery, even if slavery ended a long time ago. They benefit even if their family never owned slaves, because the economic gains from slavery benefitted all of white America. America was built by slaves and it has to pay for that, but the white voting bloc won’t let it happen.
Do you deny native people were massacred and enslaved in California?
Absolutely not? What the fuck. America was built on genocide.
So you agree that native people in California have been harmed far worse than Black people?
What.
It isn’t a contest. Slavery and genocide are both bad and this country should be forced to pay for both! There’s no reason to pit these issues against each other.
Within California, yeah, the genocide was worse than the slavery. But fuck, slavery isn’t just forced labor. It’s also rape, imprisonment, torture, and worse. California still benefitted from that system, even if they didn’t own their own slaves.
Reparations for all of Amerikkka’s victims. Bankrupt this shithole demon country to pay back the untold trillions in damages it owes.
So how come you’re not arguing for native reparations except when called out on it? It absolutely is a contest in that there’s not infinite money. And natives deserve it more. They should be first in line. We stole their entire land and massacred almost their entire population. Our homes rest on the graves of their ancestors.
You don’t care about equity or reparations, you just want a cash grab.