Is it an affectation that they’re trained to deploy? (If so, why?) Or is it just a natural thing that happens in the very specific circumstance of being a politician on the campaign trail, and that’s why no one else seems to do it?
I don’t think I’ve seen it in any other context 🤔
Cheers!
from what i remember, they are coached to do it because pointing is seen as too aggressive but not making any hand gestures is too robotic. so its a way to make a non-aggressive emphatic hand gesture.
Which, ironically, makes them seem even more robotic
Only to people who are actually paying attention to a lot of politicians and likely looking exactly this up.
For the majority of the public? it is just “good public speaking”.
I miss Obama and other politicians who could actually speak.
Yeah.
Although I recently heard him on Marc Maron’s podcast, and was rather disappointed.
He’s still far, far more lucid than most other politicians, but he came off as wildly out of touch, which I didn’t recall him being 10 years ago.
Oh well, that’s the match of time for you.
Well, the man’s retired so he can be I suppose? When (if?) I’m able to retire, I plan on being as out of touch as possible :D
you don’t remember him ordering grey poupon? Like a french aristocrat?
Oh that’s right!
And now I’m remembering his scandalous tan suit!
Obama 》》Grandpa Freeman
Was he wearing a tan suit?
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I didn’t look it up and here I am.
And plenty of people use chatgpt instead of google. Not really sure what point you think you are making but…
Your statement could be true about anything depending on the perspective so I wasn’t sure what point you were trying to make
Thanks for pointing that out.
Rimshot!
Still, maybe if Zucc did it people would actually find him cool.
(“Cool” as in, like an average politician, which is still way cooler than he is now.)
Marketing is always the answer.
I feel it also adds cadence to a speech, which can help people listen more to what you’re saying.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chironomia
They are taught by “experts” that pointing is an ugly aggressive hand gesture.
It’s silly how some of them do this while simultaneously pushing ugly and aggressive policies.
Gotta make those policies seem friendly and non-aggressive!
They’re squeezing their hands like that so they don’t accidentally do the nazi solute again.
That’s neat.
Why does that article contain no references more recent than 1806 though. Is it called something else these days? It seems like there should be more modern information on the practice.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_jive
Not really tho.
honestly with drawings like that I half expected at least one panel be involving bloodletting
And this is safer than “air dicking”.
wow, so Trump is doing “Liberatem resigno” (“I give up my freedom”) but with rubber shackles.
It’s one of many gestures that are used by trained public speakers as non-verbal communication cues. Here are some examples, including the one you asked about: https://qz.com/work/1093701/a-guide-to-ted-talk-hands-seven-signature-moves
There are many more beyond those. Using hand gestures in public speaking has been around since at least classical times.
They all go to Ivy League colleges, and they all take the same public speaking classes.
It’s a big club, but we’re not in it.
Its what you do when you naturally want to point but dont want to be seen as rude and aggressive.
Correct answer right there. Politicians and business people are very aware of their body language. Another rule is never touch your face. When they do, photographers will snap a picture. In the photo they will look frustrated
LOL that’s why I will never be a politician. I would be so frustrated by not being allowed to touch my face! The irony of it would just overwhelm me.
I wanna say I’ve heard that be referred to as the “Clinton thumb” since Bill Clinton did it a lot when president.
I’ve heard that before too but being an old bastard, I’m pretty certain Clinton didn’t do it until after he was debating Bob Dole. Bob Dole used this gesture because he held a pen during debates. And he held a pen in his non-dominant hand because he had an injury in WWII and the way his hand curled made him look weak.
I remember it as a Dole gesture originally, too
There are very few configurations of the hand and fingers that aren’t offensive to someone. This one is one of the last few remaining, with “thousand points o’ laght”, a list that doesn’t include “yuge” or the double “okay” sign.
So everyone does it.
“How dare you insult me with your flaccid mockery of a fishing pole grip, you will pay for your insolence”
It’s the I’m-pointing-at-you-with-a-pen-but-I-forgot-my-pen gesture.
If you work for a large company, ask around if there is a toastmasters group. If so join it and you will be let in on all the secrets of public speaking.
trump and his accordion hands are very noticible, especially when he has to make a lie on the spot.
It’s a wand. They are actually enchanting you, the first spell always makes the wand invisible. That’s why you never see it.
Jerking themselves off to the idea of fucking their citizens over
It’s not a fishing rod, it’s something much more personal
Like… your favourite PH2 driver?
Torx is superior. I could accept Robertson as well.
It is. But everyone needs a dedicated PH2. With torx, a bit set is the better approach.
Get them from Vessel Tools, best screwdrivers I have ever used.
I just recently got a PZ2 driver from Vessel for my Honda. It was remarkable how nice it was to use compared to a Phillips screw and driver. I felt so much torque could be applied while the grip stayed rock solid.
Also learned PZ screws are often used in cabinetry, and lo and behold, all my kitchen cabinet do in fact have that tell-tale X mark to indicate they are Pozidrive screws.
I’ve still not had the opportunity to use a square drive Roberston screw, but would still like to use them for something one day.
I get my drivers from Ironside, and bits from Bosch.
Trump just channels his childhood accordion lessons. He doesn’t even realize he’s doing it.
It’s more of a public speaker thing than just a politician thing, but… Well, politicians are all public speakers, so it makes sense that that’s the context you’ve seen it in.
It’s literally a practiced gesture - public speaking makes use of some gestures that telegraph well to crowds, but seem unusual otherwise. IIRC, that fishing rod grip is an alternative to gesturing with a fist - it looks less aggressive, but gets the point across.
