Charlie Kirk confirmed dead.

  • SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world
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    12 hours ago

    Yep.

    By what metrics?

    I obviously have no clue exactly how many of his supporters were dissilusioned, which is why I will use “weasel words” (aka estimates and guesses)

    If I had responded to your last question with this sort of “I have no clue, it’s just a guess” you would have, rightfully, called bullshit.

    It might be naïvely optimistic of me but I refuse to believe that you have come to your beliefs purely based on ‘vibes’. Help me see what you see because I don’t see it.

    If I’m wrong and you have extremely confident beliefs based entirely on “estimates and guesses” that is a serious fucking problem means you are, by definition, divorced from reality.

    I doubt that there will ever be the “one thing”

    Other than the Epstein files? :P

    Seriously though, I wasn’t asking for “one thing” I was asking for being specific and providing an example of something that does so that we can establish where the goalpost and what is/isn’t effective.

    George Floyd? Trayvon Martin? Eric Garner?

    Yep and the problem has gotten worse since then. IE not an effective solution to the problem.

    Also 3 names from half a decade ago compared to the ~5500 deaths in the interim gives a “martyr success rate” of ~0.05%. I have a hard time believing Charlie will statistically be in the “successful martyr” group even if being a “influential” person is a 100x multiplier and even with such a pathetically low bar of “success”

    Pretty insignificant considering the countless other right wing propagandists

    It seems like you are falling for the same fallacy of there being “one singular influencer which will end it all”… Obviously that’s not how it works…

    is not THAT important ___ continues to concolidate power.

    You do see how that leads to them being “THAT important”? In my opinion any roadblock to those efforts and that desired outcome is a good thing.

    Let’s try a different approach. Can you expand on why you think this will make left-wing organizing less effective/more difficult/etc.?