I love how divisive this is without respect to gerrymandering.
Ranked choice voting and money out of politics are much more important than this dualistic psychological warfare. Republicans lose votes to third parties, too. Don’t play their game. Vote blue if you want, but also extend love to your “deplorable” neighbor. Our division is a much stronger force for control than who is signing oligarchical legislation.
blaming that one guy is the mentallity that brought that country to its knees. good job, and have fun in the camps.
I feel like the reason there’s been a resurgance of posts rehashing this has to do with Zohran Mamdani winning a primary in the largest city in the United States. While being openly pro-palestinian AND using the Socialist word positively to boot.
If Harris had won it is highly plausible she would have endorsed Cuomo leading to Zohran’s loss.
Mamdani lends credibility to some of those 3rd party/non-voting/protest voters’ strategy.
I think this causes some… feelings.
Mamdani is not third part though, because he won the primary. So he’s the candidate from one of the two big parties.
And it seems to me like the main reason the dems are unhappy with his win is that even though he won a primary, he is not very likely to win the election given American fear of socialism.
Not really. New York’s mayoral election has ranked choice voting so it’s a different situation. Also, Cuomo is the 3rd party candidate at this stage - he’s running as an independant.
If Cuomo voters snake the election from Mamdani I hope Cuomo has his rapey fingers crushed in a subway.
If Harris had won it is highly plausible she would have endorsed Cuomo leading to Zohran’s loss.
We would also not have immigrants in concentration camps. So you know, it’s a trade off.
The US has been putting migrants in camps since the Obama days. Democrats are just better at pretending they don’t do it
This is simply not true. Detention centers under Obama are a world apart from the concentration camps under Trump. Trump is making camps with Alligator moats. He’s deporting people to countries they don’t come from. He’s sending them to prisons in El Salvador. Did Obama do those things also? No, he did not. Please cut the “both sides” crap because I have zero patience for this bullshit.
This sentiment has never made sense because libertarians steal more votes from replublicans than greens do from dems.
The important thing is to be more pissed at the Democrats for not being good enough than you you are at the Republicans for being evil. There is nothing worse than a western liberal, not even the pro-trans-murder party
I agree, the controlled opposition preventing real opposition is a much bigger issue than the problem itself.
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It’s really cool when you freaks say shit like “it’s a good thing that the American LGBT community and all the immigrants are getting genocided”
Really shows that you aren’t actually against genocide, you just like when Americans suffer and this gives you a good excuse
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Y’all are never making it out of the shit you’re in if this is how you’re thinking. Neither the republicans nor the democrats represent the interests of the working class. You’re just pissed now that the fascism your country has been spreading across the world for decades both under the democrats and under the republicans is coming home to hatch now.
People who focus on just one sole issue and ignore the full consequences and the reality of the say they do have deserve about as much democracy as MAGA. But don’t worry, you no longer will have any say at all.
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I always vote third party and I’m not stopping now.
While that sentiment may be the most frustrating, even if every third party voted against Trump, he still would have won. If even 10% of those voters went to Trump, he would have even won the popular vote. Polling suggests that non voters were about evenly split, so a stronger turnout generically may have done nothing.
The result was mostly due to a very boring reason. Inflation was high so whoever in office gets the blame. Similarly Trump lost mainly because COVID sucked, and anyone would have lost (his response did suck, but we saw that there was no such thing as a sufficiently good response).
People like to imagine some big political cause for good or for ill moving the voters, but by and large it’s mostly about how comfortable or uncomfortable they are in the moment to vote for or against the status quo of the moment. But those folks are “just voting” while a very loud minority talks up their “superior” choice to not vote for a lamestream candidate. They speak loudly, but they didn’t have enough votes this time to make a difference. They did in 2000 (technically Gore did have the votes when the data was in, but third party would have made it a decisive Gore victory).
But how can I blame socialist for the failure of society where 50% decide to vote for a convict rapist
Imagine being more upset with 3 million leftists than 70 million republicans.
Are any of the 70 million Republicans on lemmy with us right now?
Shut the fuck up Jesus Christ this is so tiresome…
Every fucking day some smug asshole has to come and complain and whine and try and redirect people’s frustration towards infighting instead of against the fascists.
How do you have this much energy to be so smug and so flacid at the same time?
Every fucking day some smug asshole has to come and complain and whine and try and redirect people’s frustration towards infighting instead of against the fascists.
That’s the point - these people chose to not fight against the fascists last November. Now we’re all paying the price for it. Maybe after four years of Trump you people will finally learn how precious and fragile a thing your enfranchisement actually is.
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It actually takes very little energy to be disappointed in nonvoters for the fucked world around us.
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? OK let’s just make up quotes for eachother then
“I love eating old paint chips while I deliberately hang in an area I claim to hate, red is my favorite flavor”
-lemmyworldsuxccc circa 2025
I’m scrolling through this comment section, and all I see are empty comments from the person you’re replying to. Are they removing all the text from their comments?
Hours old account with a whiney username, my guess is they got got for ban evasion.
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this yet again, still seething.
democrat failure is a failure of the democrats. they knew the assignment, they didn’t want to pay the price. they chose this reality instead
That’s total bullshit. The leftists don’t get a pass for not doing the absolute minimum to stop the fascists from taking power.
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So wait, because politicians from both large parties in America are shit and complicit in genocide, all Americans are assholes who don’t care about the outside world?
I think that those fleeing the country are more likely to be those who did not choose this shit. Like I am fleeing America because my life as a gay, Jewish, pro-Palestinian socialist is under threat. But I shouldn’t be allowed to be taken in by another country cuz I don’t care, right?
Just because Democrats and Republicans are both shit parties, pressuring your government to remove those fleeing for their lives is stupid, unempathetic and extremely hypocritical.
Anybody who wants to continue the same old same old is just someone who doesn’t want to TRY something else.
This is a fucking pointless fight. If you’re still talking about this responsibility shifting nonsense, it doesn’t matter what side of the argument you’re one, you’re a part of the problem.
Y’all are still going to be fighting about this dumb bullshit while ICE handcuffs everyone. Maybe unify so that doesn’t happen.
Telling leftists to stop bickering and infighting over pointless bullshit instead of actively attacking the actual enemies of democracy…
First time?
It would be saying you are perfectly ok with either candidate over the other. If you say Trump is worse, but the Democrat didn’t earn my vote so I didn’t, that’s pretty aggravating to hear. If you truly felt both options were equally bad, well I can’t imagine that perspective but at least that’s a rational stance for going none of the above with a different vote.
It often sounds like you will only vote for the perfect candidate who agrees fully with you on every thing, which is an impractical ideal.
All this said, the numbers didn’t break in a way for those third party voters to actually have mattered this time around, so despite how frustrated people may be, there’s nothing rational in harping on it for 2024.
Sadly, they both “may” be equally bad. The dems hide it well, trump flaunts it. But they both serve only the elite. Clinton was an epstien friend. And he endorsed cuomo for NY mayor because the party asked him to. They say they want to do things that help the people. But whenever the chance comes, they somehow just can’t do it. We need more parties to at least make it so people can’t just run and win by not being then other guy.
And notice how they mostly just take turns being in charge. Either it is part of thier plan, or it is just proof that neither side actually does enough to be worth voting in repeatedly. Cause they could… but they won’t. I’m from Oregon, so my vote doesn’t matter either way. We always go blue. At least that means we get less election propaganda in the mail and on the phone.Removed by mod
3 options. 2 outcomes.
It would be nice yes
