Imagine being more upset with 3 million leftists than 70 million republicans.
Are any of the 70 million Republicans on lemmy with us right now?
This is a fucking pointless fight. If you’re still talking about this responsibility shifting nonsense, it doesn’t matter what side of the argument you’re one, you’re a part of the problem.
Y’all are still going to be fighting about this dumb bullshit while ICE handcuffs everyone. Maybe unify so that doesn’t happen.
Telling leftists to stop bickering and infighting over pointless bullshit instead of actively attacking the actual enemies of democracy…
First time?
Jesus Christ the election is long over
Simply accept that out of two outcomes (leftists uniting to vote Democrat/leftists trying to send Democrats a message by not voting them in) both would lead to terrible consequences. It was a matter of time, it just got expedited to now instead of few years later.
You cannot vote democracy in if there’s no fair democracy in the first place. Elections are over, they won’t save you, unite over what you can do instead of wasting everything you have on infighting.
Organize and protest. Join the political organizations in your area and unionize. This is a harder way, and I know it takes time and energy to figure things out and organize and take part in all the actions made, but it is the only way that works.
Please, if you aren’t already part of your local organizing teams, go search for them right now.
this yet again, still seething.
democrat failure is a failure of the democrats. they knew the assignment, they didn’t want to pay the price. they chose this reality instead
Anybody who wants to continue the same old same old is just someone who doesn’t want to TRY something else.
It would be nice yes
This PIS again…
Oh, let’s not blame the Nazis and their supporters in 1930s Germany. Let’s blame everyone else who didn’t vote the SPD.
The American left splintered so much this past election, into a bunch of tiny groups and nobody is leftist enough for anybody anymore. If you disagree with someone else on the left you’re automatically called right wing because they can’t fathom the idea of anyone who disgrees with them being on the left.
If you’re slightly right or even left of someone, you’ll get shit on, called names, have toxicity thrown at you. I even saw racism towards me for the first time from the left this past election, never mind that im indigenous and brown, I disagree with a point and suddenly im being moralized to by leftist white kids with hate in their breath. It’s no surprise, America is a shark infested ocean, you gotta be a shark to live there, so no wonder the American left became a toxic version of itself the way the right did.
I emphasize “American left” because to the rest of b us left around the world, your leftists are nuts too and only spew platitudes and half ideas, while continuing the American tradition of toxic rhetoric and world policing
Who splintered the left?
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Why not blame the SPD that didn’t make coalitions to unite the voters? Or that didn’t make the Nazis illegal even after burning the parlament? (January 6th equivalent)
Stop blaming the people for others shit.
You voted Trump, you did this.
You voted Republicans the last 20 years you did this.
You supported any goverment that didn’t do anything to secure democracy, you did this.
Anyway i don’t see Democrats really fighting Trump. I don’t know even if the situation will change in the Midterms 2026, with that attitude.
Im Canadian…
Watching Biden kiss billionaire ass was way better than watching Trump’s construction of concentration camps and also kiss billionaire ass.
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Holy shit dude. I’m just saying pitting your prefered flavor of commie against neo Hitler was a poor choice imo. Enjoy your moral superiority, you’ve earned it.
Barely anyone voted for third parties. I have much more blame for the people who didn’t bother voting than the people who voted third party.
I’ll also call out that “not bothering” ignores that a huge sect of the public gets their vote falsely purged, or has their polling location closed, or some other voter suppression tactic.
Oh this bullshit again
It’s nonstop everyday now. Super annoying. You can tell people who to vote for all you want but at the end of the day it’s their choice. Harping on it after the fact does absolutely nothing but push those people further away.
Please explain to me how the third party vote would have swayed the election if everyone chose D instead.
Should have been the protesting non-voter.
Exactly. Trump won Michigan in 2024 by a margin greater than all the third party voters combined.
That if is so hypothetical that if my aunt had balls would be my uncle but is not.
I meant like if everyone in the Independent group voted D, for clarity
As a resident of a state where Democrats are going to win, regardless of what I do, a state whose tiny insignificant number of electoral votes don’t matter anyway, fuck you.
You’re blaming the one independent when there’s 80k red voters?
Of course, you can’t fix stupid. At least a communist can goddamn read, so they’re worth talking to.
You call this “talking to”?
Do you actually need a clarification, or do you just want to bicker?
I don’t want to bicker, it’s just confusing that people who are presumed worth talking to seem to almost exclusively be yelled at.
Kinda makes me wonder if maybe some of the people currently not worth talking to were previously subjected to a similar talking to.
Memes and humour are rhetoric, and speaking only for myself, I’d rather mildly joke about someone’s silly views rather than have a big grumpy debate with them. There’s a time and place to sit down and respectfully suss out a topic, and I think good comedy helps more than it hurts - even when a few people aren’t laughing.
That much is true, but I don’t think I wouldn’t call this “good comedy”, and judging from the replies in the thread - OP included - I don’t think it’s intended as a joke either, mild or otherwise. It is kinda amusing, in that victory is presented as always impossible, but I doubt that was intentional. This isn’t goodnatured ribbing, this is more, as the kids say, bait.
De gustibus some disputandum, as always
In summary
Vote blue no matter who:
Pro - Democrats more likely to win. Things won’t immediately get worse.
Con - Democrats have no incentive to do anything other than what their wealthy donors want.
Result - Things don’t get worse now, but eventual rightward drift is guaranteed because the democrats will do nothing good and the republicans will win eventually.
Vote blue only if X:
Pro - Democrats have an incentive to do something other than what their wealthy donors what, in theory.
Con - Democrats less likely to win.
Result - Democrats might do something good if they win. Rightward lurch is possible if they lose.
Can we please stop litigating this now?
Edit: The “best” approach would ultimately depend on the relative effectiveness of influencing democrat policy via primaries or whatever, and I don’t think the answer is immediately obvious. I am not advocating one approach over the other, I just want people to stop pretending the answer is obvious.
Bro, all you gotta do is die and all your credit card debit is gone. If you just keep paying the bills, then the debt stays the same until you miss a bill, and then it gets worse. If you die then the debt goes away. Why keep perpetuating the cycle? Dying is the only way to get rid of debt.
That’s what your post sounds like
Except the situation they’re describing is a multi-generational one and they’re trying to do what’s for the greater good over time, which is ironically what the more short-sighted “blue no matter who” people accuse them of not doing. Sometimes things need to be permitted to get worse before they can get better. You can’t just follow a simple greedy algorithm of taking the best possible move at every point with respect to the next state of the game. This algorithm is very easily gamed to lead to bad situations.
This community is still in denial from last year I see, I guess none of you braindeads learned your lesson huh
Even funnier now that the DNC approved candidate is running as a 3rd party in NYC after losing his own primary. Suddenly no issue voting for an independent candidate there.
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Many core issues were addressed, from climate change to women’s rights and LGBTQ+ rights, to concerns over economy (which were improving and have since been downgraded).
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Opponent was objectively worse in Every. Single. Conceivable way. It is after all, a binary choice.
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Uncommitted fucked off entirely on their, absent of any comparative logic.
The biggest thing that comes out of reading threads like this is the erosion of my original belief that I thought the uncommitted were at least smarter and strategic and and more empathetic and more aware of FPTP voting. There is one big reason why Trump won: People were duped by endless amounts of billionaire’s money, seeing Trump at his best and Harris at her worst. I thought folks like you were above that; but alas, you drank the kool-aid just the same.
Edit: For the record, I think massive change in the Democratic party must come. That is not an easy task, but it’s the easiest path.
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Literally not how elections work in any country on earth.
