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    I too like punching down at people with no power. It would be too much for democratic leadership to learn the lessons of 2016 and 2024. Just blame progressives and people who want better things!

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      No I take this back. Harris was right to push for a fascist border bill and Biden was right to flood cops with money. Oh and we can’t forget enthusiastically funding genocides!

      The dems really need to try to out fasc the fascists. That way they can persuade the moderate fascists! After all, progressives have no where else to go! I’m so glad Dems have so many big brained think tankers leading these extremely good strategies that always seems to work out well for us.

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      I too like punching down at people with no power.

      People used their power to support literal Nazis, but I guess it’s okay because Blue Circus was REALLY not entertaining enough for you this cycle.

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        I voted for Harris and the like. But the reason she lost is because she failed to inspire her base. It is bullshit that anyone would blame voters for their leader’s failures.

        The power differential between a random non voter and the people to blame, establishment dems, is vast. The dems who made unpopular and stupid decisions are mostly to blame for this situation. Attacking voters is just scapegoating bullshit

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          Sorry that you think that we need to rely on our Aristocratic Overlords and that democracy has no meaning.

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            I’m sorry you think that leaders shouldn’t lead? Stand for something? Like say that the genocide in Palestine is bad? Actually try to reform the cops? Don’t pull a fascism at the border?

            Harris was a dogshit candidate with a dogshit message. Everything is great! Let me tie myself to Biden, a historically unpopular incumbent that had to drop from the race late!

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              I’m sorry you think that leaders shouldn’t lead? Stand for something? Like say that the genocide in Palestine is bad? Actually try to reform the cops? Don’t pull a fascism at the border?

              I’m sure you can quote where I said any of that.

              Harris was a dogshit candidate with a dogshit message.

              Yes.

              A dogshit candidate doesn’t absolve people of their duty to vote against LITERAL FUCKING NAZIS

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                I’m not saying it does. My personal morality forced me to vote for the Dems even though my vote doesn’t matter and I fucking loath genocidiers.

                I’m just saying the vast majority of the blame lies at the feet of the people who had power to stop this. Merrick Garland, Joe Biden, and Harris. We put them in office in 2020 to fucking do something and they say on their fucking hands and did nothing. They had power. They squandered it on bullshit.

                Direct your anger somewhere productive. Being angry at voters is going to get you nowhere, whereas elected leaders might notice when big cities start electing people with actual decent non neoliberal policies?

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                  Direct your anger somewhere productive. Being angry at voters is going to get you nowhere, whereas elected leaders might notice when big cities start electing people with actual decent non neoliberal policies?

                  “Sorry, the progressive wasn’t pure enough. We’re going to boycott him, and criticizing us isn’t allowed (but you have to be nice to us, or else our feewings will be hurt 🥺)”

                  Normalizing purity politics will sink all left candidates, not just the ones who aren’t radical enough for your tastes

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                    And I’m sorry that you don’t want candidates to actually appeal to their base? The reason why republicans win is because they throw red meat to their fucking lunatic base. We don’t have abortion anymore because they actually delivered.

                    Using the boogie man of fascism obviously works on people like you and me, but that isnt enough. Promise something fucking inspiring for once and deliver this time instead of just giving hope.