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Transmutation is not new technology. It has always been too expensive to be used on an industrial level. I dont think that has changed. also by no means does it reduce the cost of dismantling and securing npp sites. Dont be fooled :/
You seem to know stuff.
Why don’t we take “depleted” fuel and use it in a low power atomic power plant? The rest radioactivity can be burned off just like their main radioactivity right?
There should be a solution to burn them further down and generate electricity with it.
Or do they lose the properties to burn them?
Thanks
The reactors we use now can’t run on depleted fuel. It’s true that like 90% of the uranium is still present in deleted fuel but that’s not the problem. The problem is the build up of fission products. The fuel itself is essentially a ceramic pellet in a metal tube. As it gets “burned” some of the atoms in the fuel split into new smaller atoms. Specifically some that are “poisons” and some that are gases. The poisons absorb neutrons much more easily than the fuel atoms, stopping the chain reaction. And the gases create pressure inside the fuel pellet. If enough gases build up this can cause the pellet to crack, releasing them into the metal tube. Now you have one less barrier to releasing radioactive material and your pellet isn’t in the shape it’s supposed to be anymore making it harder to know how it will react.
So we can’t use them in current reactors, what about “low power” reactors? This is a problem of economics. Depleted fuel is hot, but not hot enough to quickly boil water and make steam. It’s like asking why don’t we power our house off all the free heat coming off a person all the time. The temperature difference and heat output is just too low to be useful in any but the smallest niche application.
So how do we deal with the depleted fuel? We reprocess it. Break down the fuel and dissolve it in acid so you can recover all the useful uranium to make new fuel. The leftover radioactive material can then be turned into glass and safely stored or you could feed it into a different type of reactor that “burns” the waste turning into something that only needs stored for 200 years instead of 20,000 years. All this has been well known and understood since the 80s but politics consistently gets in the way of actually doing anything.
You lost me at this:
For this transmutation Transmutex proposes using a particle accelerator, probably because the promoter of the idea is a former engineer at CERN,
Yeah it’s definitely not that the only reliable method we have of knocking protons off of atoms involves either a nuclear reactor or particle accelerator, dude is just bringing his old job with him cause he doesn’t know any better. Right.
No, as non-experts, we must dismiss the knowledge of experts because their approach is not non-magical pseudoscience bullshit that consists mostly of evocative imagery.
I don’t need no boring particle accelerator! I want an atom smasher that’s been combined with cutting edge AI and the latest in superconducting magnet technology to tame matter down to the subatomic level so it can shoot a laser made of protons into radioactive materials to fundamentally alter its elemental properties so it no longer emits (as much) radiation!
Indeed, this is like the techbro approach to nuclear reactors, which seems like the worst of all possible worlds: all buzzwords and bullshit hiding barely-concealed scams about shit that can absolutely kill you.
Is there any source with any real information? This one is just bullshit.
Here’s a more measured take on it, particularly the Update section - though it’s written by the company creating the long-term waste repository in Switzerland so there’s some obvious bias.
It appears the modeling/simulation code Transmutex developed is heavily based on the open-source Geant4 toolkit.
Complete bullshit. Just enough of the basic tech checks out to fool an investor. They going to knock protons off thousands of pounds of nuclear waste and irradiated material? One atom at a time? Good thing there aren’t many atoms in things, It’ll only take a few hours at most, lol.
This’ll be used by people wanting to sell expensive, dangerous nuclear reactors. That still produce nuclear waste, and sometimes melt down to create global disasters. Instead of cheap, easy wind and solar.
This is just a scam, but like most scams, there’s some real, and some made-up information.
Sources. You need to back all of that up then compare it to fossil fuels and the damage to the environment they cause then shut the fuck up.
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Don’t feed this troll.
Fucking gladly be blocked by someone who rambles like this.
Nice try, nuclear lobby. We still dont want your dirty tech instead of 100% renewables.
It has the least amount of deaths of ANY energy source we have per amount of power generated. That is if we assume the maximum amount of deaths from the nuclear accidents etc., if we assume more reasonable numbers there is no debate at all. And that comes on top of the extremely low CO2 emissions.
I always wondered if it wasn’t the Kremlin who pushed those anti nuclear agendas (I grew up in Sweden and eventually the “greens” wanted to dismantle nit only the nuclear power plants but also the army). They are never based in facts, only fear, and they helped Russia a lot with not only gas&oil exports but a lot of soft power coming with them.
/Thank you for coming to my conspiracy talk!
It is the opposite. Nuclear shills don’t base their opinion on facts, they would rather hope for a miracle solution that is, when viewed rationally, complete nonsense. Apart from the extremely toxic waste for which we have not found geological structures stable enough to prevent it from leaking, building nuclear power plants is a really CO2-intensive process, especially with regard to all the concrete involved. The most pressing issue, however, is the fuel. What do you think nuclear reactors generate power with? Lots of air and goodwill? Entire regions have to be dug up for Uranium, of which useful isotopes then have to be enriched before they can be used economically in reactors. Furthermore, uranium is even less abundant in the Earth than oil and natural gas. If we would adopt nuclear power generation at large scale world-wide, we would deplete our scarce uranium probably in a few decades, long before oil. So we’re just substituting one problem for another with nuclear energy. It isn’t sustainable and renewable because at some point shortly after adoption, the fuel would run out.
Lol found the gas&oil shill!
What a trainwreck your post is, you’re saying CO2 costs for building a nuclear plant outweighs the CO2 fossil fuels would generate for the same amount if energy created, it’s like thinking you can bicycle to the moon.
Thats total and utter bs. The cost of nuclear is insanely high, especially for storing. On top comes the “not in my backyard” situation which makes the most vulnerable people be the ones most affected. We are seeing days on 100% renewables. Its not that hard to understand.
What is BS? I never said anything about monetary cost. CO2 will cost SO absurdly much more than anything nuclear combined, I find it hard to care about it.
Pushing nuclear is bs. The nuclear lobby wants to make it look like there is only coal or nuclear. Reality is renewables are the only solution. Dont believe shit like this.
But a couple of hundred thousand displaced people don’t count, of course. Also, there are no reliable statistics on fatalities because these are being systematically suppressed. I wonder why that is?
You’re saying nuclear power is responsible for less deaths and sicknesses than for example… wind?
Yes. Wind turbines maintenance is a dangerous job that sometimes results in injury or death. Nuclear power is safer, per kWh.
Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/494425/death-rate-worldwide-by-energy-source/
It’s not, a person has already provided a study proving you wrong.
Edit: You’ve changed your comment completely with that edit.
I provided a source, you said “it’s not”. Forgive me if I ignore your comment unless you also provide a source.
You said “it’s much safer” in your original comment, which you removed in the edit.
The source you’ve linked shows it’s marginally safer on a death per KW/h rate, true, while being substantially more expensive and comes with the unsolved problem of dealing with toxic waste.
It’s 25% safer, which is closer to “much” safer than “marginally” safer in my mind, but yes I decided it’s better to let the data speak for itself and avoid such subjective qualifiers.
It is more expensive, which is why I prefer wind and solar to nuclear, but we were talking about safety specifically, not which tech is “better overall”.
How many cubic feet of nuclear waste do you think there is? I’m curious. Cause currently, all of the waste America has EVER created, would fill 1 football field about 30 feet high.
Right so why shouldn’t we just use power sources where we don’t have an issue with massively toxic waste products later on in the process?
Edit: And which are also a lot cheaper.
Because of reliability and lack of storage options.
Pumped hydroelectric storage exists and is easily achieved. What about the storage options for nuclear waste?
Pumped hydroelectric storage exists
Only if you have a mountain nearby, which not all places have.
What about the storage options for nuclear waste?
We have those.
Haven’t you heard of all the people that get killed by feral solar panels every year?
Nice try petroleum and coal lobby, maybe try harder with the “clean coal” next time!
Are you drunk? Countries are already having 100% renewable usage days.
Yeah, tiny countries with very favourable conditions like Iceland.
Pretty sure I saw news of the UK having 100% renewable energy days, and like a dozen US states believe it’s practical enough to have a roadmap …… and those aren’t the states with the highest wind potential
Edit …. And there’s California with 100 100% renewable energy days out of 144 analyzed
We have a disinformation campaign running in here. Dont get discouraged. Something really crazy is going on in this place.
Yeah, right. And the very favorable germany. Please get help.
If you think Germany is running on 100% renewables, you need help way more than I do.
59% over the entire year is a damn good start
US is much more favorable for renewable energy than Germany, lots more wind, solar and hydro potential. How can we not be doing at least as well. There’s no technical reason. No practical reason. No economic reason. Just a bunch of gullible people manipulated by fossil fuel companies, a bunch of gullible people manipulated by outrage media, a bunch of gullible people manipulated by politicians. Idiots. All of them. Or evil
Yeah, I wasn’t trying to knock Germany. I’m German. But it’s far from 100%, we still have lot of coal (even worse, lignite) plants … and building more gas power plants. It’s just not an example if a 100% renewable country. Iceland was (but that got me downvoted, lol).
Anyway, it’s just lemmy. At least the debating about nuclear power doesn’t get you banned :S
Yeah. I’m not gonna bother discussing this with you. Please start reading at get off of telegram and 4chan. I suggest wikipedia or other “mainstream” sources of information. Good bye
You should take your own advice. It’s a pretty simple thing to look up.
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Fukushima was supposed to be better. It wasn’t. They weren’t an abandoned Soviet reactor, they were efficient, well-trained Japanese. 3 mile island was America. It can happen anywhere.
Don’t compare nuclear to coal. Nobody’s making new coal plants, and they sure wouldn’t have been replaced by a far more expensive nuclear plant.
You are against renewables. In the time it takes to design, build, and start operation of a nuclear plant, you could have made an entire factory to produce wind turbines or photovoltaics, and have been making product for years before the nuclear plant even opens. If they open, because most nuclear reactors don’t go online due to cost overruns, time overruns, construction problems, etc… Then they just sit there, a big concrete foundation making zero energy.
Your thinking is out of the 1970’s-80’s. Completely outdated by at least 50 years.
Fukushima shouldn’t have been built that close to a fault line and the ocean.
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Yes daddy fill me with sweet coal, gas and lithium 🥵
The matrix happened because the machines used renewables thus the enemy eternally destroyed the atmosphere.
If the machines used nuclear energy they would have won.
God bless all intelligent forms







