Many Ukrainian brigades have at least one, and often several, amputee soldiers still on active duty — men who returned to combat out of a sense of duty amid the grim outlook for their country.

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    When Russia sends forces crippled men to the front it’s desperate and pathetic, when Ukraine allows it it’s honorable and inspiring?

    FTFY

    I suggest you volunteer with the War Amps (edit: or equivalent Amputee support organization) to broaden your understanding of what is actually possible by people with human spirit.

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      It’s a very different thing to give the amputee crutches and to give them high-quality prosthetics. The Ukrainians you refer to as “cripples” aren’t really cripples, because they can move almost normally. Also, they are used very differently: Russian troops need to advance on foot, Ukrainian troops need to arrive to a location in a vehicle and stay to defend it.

      I wouldn’t say the two cases are very similar at all.

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      Amputees can absolutely accomplish a lot and live fulfilling lives. But it is a disability at the end of the day. No professional military would allow amputees into combat arms unless their recruiting pool was in danger of collapse. Which, after almost 3 years of war, it likely is, for both sides.

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        Amputees can absolutely accomplish a lot and live fulfilling lives. But it is a disability at the end of the day. No professional military would allow amputees into combat arms unless their recruiting pool was in danger of collapse. Which, after almost 3 years of war, it likely is, for both sides.

        There’s a long history of doing just that, both for reasons of experience retention and because recruitment is almost never flooded with quality recruits, beyond the occasional initial outburst of enthusiasm. Recruitment doesn’t need to be anywhere near collapse, for either side.

        The reason why we aren’t used to it is because most of the wars we’re culturally familiar with in the past ~90 years have been reliant on power projection, wherein the fighting capacity of every individual must be maximized relative to their logistical footprint - when you can only send 50 men to a position in the next 24 hours, you send the top 50 you can get. Furthermore, many of the wars Americans are familiar with in the past ~75 years have been heavily reliant on maintaining good PR and low allied casualties - injured troops going back into combat are a bad look for a cause that might already not be wildly popular. “We are winning easily with no problems” is the narrative that must be peddled there for an unpopular cause - for Ukraine, it is “We are fighting for our existence”, so that particular PR point is less important.

        Ukraine is fighting on its home turf, and Russia is fighting on its own border - sustaining an amputee at home or at the front have similar costs, but dissimilar benefits for veteran volunteers. There’s no Atlantic or Pacific Ocean between home and the front to make getting a man or his needs from point A to point B prohibitively expensive.

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          In fact in this case: “when our troops suffer disabling injuries defending their homes we provide them with prosthetics and some choose to return to service” is powerful propaganda. It tells people that if they take up arms they won’t be seen as disposable cannon fodder but as valuable troops whose sacrifices will be honored and who will be taken care of to the best of the ability of the country.

          If you’re a conscript who’s being trained by a special forces member with prosthetic hands you know that not only does he care enough to maintain service, but they gave him prosthetic hands, and they put in the effort to keep him alive in a situation that cost his hands.