Do you have any examples of the new Trek shows doing this?
Edit: No. The answer is no he doesn’t. The same as everyone who makes this complaint. I openly challenge you find a single example. I will admit I am wrong if you can find a piece of treknobabble in NuTrek that breaks canon or doesn’t line up with the explanations already provided in lore.
I am waiting. My skeleton will be waiting. Simply because the above complaint isn’t true.
Edit 2: Yep. I was right. It wasn’t true. Check below for the receipts.
There is nothing technochron blorbinator in the Trek lexicon - I’m saying that writing example technobabble like that shows a lack of understanding of the source.
I don’t have any specific examples, but I remember the first 2 seasons of discovery and a little in the first season of Picard getting Trek particles wrong and not knowing systems. It got better once they hired Erin MacDonald and brought on David Mack and a few other novelists to consult on prodigy and I think Picard iirc
edit: Hey look I can play the edit game too - I provided a poorly researched example and explained that technology use not well used in early discovery - I acknowledged that being critical of technology use can be hand waived because its fictitious and apparently that’s not good enough for our combative OP. I also provided sources on the franchise now using specialists to keep track of technology and technobabble, and advised that I am not a “nutrek hater” as our contentious colleague here had to go and attack me personally - check below for the receipts and tax returns!
Again, do you have any examples? I cannot find any you’re talking about. I’ve heard this complaint repeatedly and no one has ever been able to provide an example of a line that didn’t make sense. Everyone makes up quotes. No one has anything specific. It’s always these really vague complaints. You repeatedly saying nonsense isn’t an example, especially when it was never said. What did they misunderstand. What particles did they not get right? Because I just finished a rewatch of Discovery with a good friend and I didn’t see a single but of technobabble that either didn’t make sense or was ridiculous. There were also zero examples of someone saying tech was located in a specific location.
Probably because most people don’t go around saving copies of these examples. You notice it make a mental note and then forget until someone brings it up again.
I sure as hell don’t go around documenting everything that bothers me about a tv show. In fact I usually do the opposite and try to ignore them.
Probably because most people don’t go around saving copies of these examples.
I didn’t ask for copies. I asked for a single example. Not multiple, not a list, one. A single example to back up this complaint and there was nothing other than extremely vague hand waves saying “Oh I remember it happening in this super vague sphere of time. Don’t remember who said it or when it was said or what was said. But I know it happened.” It is not on me to decipher your nonsensical complaints. It is on you to provide evidence and examples of these complaints. Otherwise you’re just screaming about something you can’t prove or even point to.
So you can go around and forget all the examples but you don’t then get to complain about it being guilty of something when you cannot provide the evidence. If you want to complain about something breaking lore or canon then you must provide the example. It is not on us to prove a negative and prove something doesn’t exist. Moreover, what is your point here? If you openly forget stuff that bothers you then how can you be trusted at all when it comes to your complaints? It just backs up my point of needing an example even more.
Stop kicking the responsibility. Accept the fact that it is yours to back up your complaints. Not anyone elses. It is yours. So you either come with receipts or you don’t start anything. I’m really tired of hearing you all run rampant with your complaints and never being able to back it up. I’d be glad to have a discussion and even admit that I’m wrong. You refuse to provide that opportunity.
So either put up or shut up. I’m tired of the bullshit.
The Star Trek community is amazing at pointing out obscure references, and letting you know exactly who said it and what episode it was from, all the way back to the 60’s. It blows my mind pretty often lol
So unless someone can point out specific examples…
That said, I wouldn’t be surprised if there are some. Just need to see it. The burden of proof is on the people with these claims.
I agree! I have no problem being proven wrong but they won’t even try. And you’re right. Constant quotes of specific episodes and specific lines but the second someone doesn’t like something they can’t even picture where it might be?
It’s fucking exhausting. Especially when the vast majority of these conversations boiled down to them being homophobic or transphobic. I’d keep pressing for examples and they’d get more frustrated until they lash out about Stamets, Adira or Grey and it’s like “Ah okay, I know what your problem really is now at least.” Not saying all people who don’t like NuTrek are homophobic or transphobic, for the record. Just that it comes up a staggering amount.
Do you have any examples of the new Trek shows doing this?
Edit: No. The answer is no he doesn’t. The same as everyone who makes this complaint. I openly challenge you find a single example. I will admit I am wrong if you can find a piece of treknobabble in NuTrek that breaks canon or doesn’t line up with the explanations already provided in lore.
I am waiting. My skeleton will be waiting. Simply because the above complaint isn’t true.
Edit 2: Yep. I was right. It wasn’t true. Check below for the receipts.
There is nothing technochron blorbinator in the Trek lexicon - I’m saying that writing example technobabble like that shows a lack of understanding of the source.
I don’t have any specific examples, but I remember the first 2 seasons of discovery and a little in the first season of Picard getting Trek particles wrong and not knowing systems. It got better once they hired Erin MacDonald and brought on David Mack and a few other novelists to consult on prodigy and I think Picard iirc
edit: Hey look I can play the edit game too - I provided a poorly researched example and explained that technology use not well used in early discovery - I acknowledged that being critical of technology use can be hand waived because its fictitious and apparently that’s not good enough for our combative OP. I also provided sources on the franchise now using specialists to keep track of technology and technobabble, and advised that I am not a “nutrek hater” as our contentious colleague here had to go and attack me personally - check below for the receipts and tax returns!
Again, do you have any examples? I cannot find any you’re talking about. I’ve heard this complaint repeatedly and no one has ever been able to provide an example of a line that didn’t make sense. Everyone makes up quotes. No one has anything specific. It’s always these really vague complaints. You repeatedly saying nonsense isn’t an example, especially when it was never said. What did they misunderstand. What particles did they not get right? Because I just finished a rewatch of Discovery with a good friend and I didn’t see a single but of technobabble that either didn’t make sense or was ridiculous. There were also zero examples of someone saying tech was located in a specific location.
I’ll be sure to take notes next time I do a rewatch
Please do. I’m getting really tired of people complaining about stuff they can never point to.
Probably because most people don’t go around saving copies of these examples. You notice it make a mental note and then forget until someone brings it up again.
I sure as hell don’t go around documenting everything that bothers me about a tv show. In fact I usually do the opposite and try to ignore them.
I didn’t ask for copies. I asked for a single example. Not multiple, not a list, one. A single example to back up this complaint and there was nothing other than extremely vague hand waves saying “Oh I remember it happening in this super vague sphere of time. Don’t remember who said it or when it was said or what was said. But I know it happened.” It is not on me to decipher your nonsensical complaints. It is on you to provide evidence and examples of these complaints. Otherwise you’re just screaming about something you can’t prove or even point to.
So you can go around and forget all the examples but you don’t then get to complain about it being guilty of something when you cannot provide the evidence. If you want to complain about something breaking lore or canon then you must provide the example. It is not on us to prove a negative and prove something doesn’t exist. Moreover, what is your point here? If you openly forget stuff that bothers you then how can you be trusted at all when it comes to your complaints? It just backs up my point of needing an example even more.
Stop kicking the responsibility. Accept the fact that it is yours to back up your complaints. Not anyone elses. It is yours. So you either come with receipts or you don’t start anything. I’m really tired of hearing you all run rampant with your complaints and never being able to back it up. I’d be glad to have a discussion and even admit that I’m wrong. You refuse to provide that opportunity.
So either put up or shut up. I’m tired of the bullshit.
I’m on your side on this one for sure.
The Star Trek community is amazing at pointing out obscure references, and letting you know exactly who said it and what episode it was from, all the way back to the 60’s. It blows my mind pretty often lol
So unless someone can point out specific examples…
That said, I wouldn’t be surprised if there are some. Just need to see it. The burden of proof is on the people with these claims.
I agree! I have no problem being proven wrong but they won’t even try. And you’re right. Constant quotes of specific episodes and specific lines but the second someone doesn’t like something they can’t even picture where it might be?
It’s fucking exhausting. Especially when the vast majority of these conversations boiled down to them being homophobic or transphobic. I’d keep pressing for examples and they’d get more frustrated until they lash out about Stamets, Adira or Grey and it’s like “Ah okay, I know what your problem really is now at least.” Not saying all people who don’t like NuTrek are homophobic or transphobic, for the record. Just that it comes up a staggering amount.