If by AES you’re talking about Western European countries, that’s not what I mean. Marxists do not consider those Socialist, as they are driven by Capitalism and fund their safety nets through expropriating wealth from the Global South, such as through outsourcing and debt trapping with IMF loans. Marxists call that process “Imperialism,” and the biggest Imperialist country is no doubt the United States currently.
Secondly, I need to know what you mean by “defending dictators.” There’s a difference between pointing out myths about AES countries and blindly upholding them simply due to the fact that they considered themselves to be Socialist. Reducing the logic of defending AES countries to purely nominal analysis is condescending. As an example, one can read Is the Red Flag Flying? Political Economy of the Soviet Union and come to the conclusion that the victories in AES stated were real working class victories achieved through Socialism, and the struggled faced by those building Socialism are often universal and must be learned from, and that requires accurately analyzing them.
As for Putin, I can certify that nobody on Hexbear or Lemmy.ml likes him, only the fact that Russia currently stands against the US Empire, which Marxists see as the current greatest evil. If the US Empire ever toppled and Russia no longer played an antagonistic role towards US Imperialism, you’d see immediately condemnation of the Russian Federation at a universal level, and not just due to their horribly decayed Capitalist system.
So, no, Marxists that uphold AES through a critical lens, rather than accepting mainstream western views, are not the epitome of “the ends justify the means.” Rather, they believe the version of ends and means that is commonly accepted as truth in the west isn’t particularly historically accurate. Ask any of them what they genuinely want, such as what democratic structures, how they wish to achieve Socialism, etc and you’ll likely agree with them.
If by AES you’re talking about Western European countries, that’s not what I mean. Marxists do not consider those Socialist, as they are driven by Capitalism and fund their safety nets through expropriating wealth from the Global South, such as through outsourcing and debt trapping with IMF loans. Marxists call that process “Imperialism,” and the biggest Imperialist country is no doubt the United States currently.
Secondly, I need to know what you mean by “defending dictators.” There’s a difference between pointing out myths about AES countries and blindly upholding them simply due to the fact that they considered themselves to be Socialist. Reducing the logic of defending AES countries to purely nominal analysis is condescending. As an example, one can read Is the Red Flag Flying? Political Economy of the Soviet Union and come to the conclusion that the victories in AES stated were real working class victories achieved through Socialism, and the struggled faced by those building Socialism are often universal and must be learned from, and that requires accurately analyzing them.
As for Putin, I can certify that nobody on Hexbear or Lemmy.ml likes him, only the fact that Russia currently stands against the US Empire, which Marxists see as the current greatest evil. If the US Empire ever toppled and Russia no longer played an antagonistic role towards US Imperialism, you’d see immediately condemnation of the Russian Federation at a universal level, and not just due to their horribly decayed Capitalist system.
So, no, Marxists that uphold AES through a critical lens, rather than accepting mainstream western views, are not the epitome of “the ends justify the means.” Rather, they believe the version of ends and means that is commonly accepted as truth in the west isn’t particularly historically accurate. Ask any of them what they genuinely want, such as what democratic structures, how they wish to achieve Socialism, etc and you’ll likely agree with them.