• FlowVoid@lemmy.world
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    By centrist, I’m specifically referring to Latinos and Gen Z males. They were Biden voters in 2020 and shifted to Trump in 2024. Democrats need to win those groups back. And they don’t seem to care much about class war.

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      By centrist, I’m specifically referring to Latinos and Gen Z males.

      That’s not what a centrist is.

      Have you bothered to look into why younger Latinos and Gen Z males flocked to the fascist candidate? It wasn’t because fascism is closer to the center than the Dems are… Spoiler, go play some multiplayer FPS to hear why.

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        Nobody knows for sure why, not even people who play FPS games.

        What is clear is that Democrats need to win them back. Democrats don’t seem to think leftism will win them back, and I agree.

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          Nobody knows for sure why, not even people who play FPS games.

          I dunno, the racial slurs, homophobic slurs, misogynistic slurs tend to give it away to me…

          What is clear is that Democrats need to win them back. Democrats don’t seem to think leftism will win them back, and I agree.

          We disagree on the latter, maybe. But then what’s your solution? Dems become just as openly fascist as the GOP?

          I mean, just say you don’t want a liberated working class at that point, and just start saying the quiet part out loud: The Dems and the GOP are two faces of the same ruling oligarchs.

          If the goal is power, for power’s sake, do you really want those people telling you what to do? Do you enjoy the image of a boot stomping on a human face for all eternity?

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            But then what’s your solution? Dems become just as openly fascist as the GOP?

            Democrats won in 1992, 1996, 2008, 2012, and 2020 without resorting to open fascism. That’s five of the last nine elections, which is roughly what you’d expect in a two party system.

            I’m confident they can do it again in 2028.

            Do you enjoy the image of a boot stomping on a human face

            No. But that’s an image of what has historically happened after leftists took power.

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              Democrats won in 1992, 1996, 2008, 2012, and 2020 without resorting to open fascism. That’s five of the last nine elections, which is roughly what you’d expect in a two party system.

              It’s also what I expect from a uniparty, with two faces, each getting “equal time”.

              I’m confident they can do it again in 2028.

              Maybe. If we have elections.

              No. But that’s an image of what has historically happened after leftists took power.

              Ah, you’re one of those people that also think North Korea is a Democratic Republic ran by the people, huh?

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                I forgot all about North Korea.

                So no. I was thinking of all the faces stomped by Lenin, Mao, and Pol Pot.

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                  Right, you think North Korea is a Democratic Republic ran by and for the people, because, well, they claim to be.

                  Now, extrapolate that to the USSR, which honestly wasn’t even socialist since about 1918 when they decided to murder workers for going on strike, and also murdering the people who actually made the revolution happen.

                  And, the Nazis too… They weren’t actually socialists, you know, right?

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                    Lenin, Mao, and Pol Pot were most certainly leftists. We all know what happened after they took power.

                    You can extrapolate that after leftists take power, they degenerate into non-socialists who murder people. That’s still a good reason to keep leftists away from power.