• lennybird@lemmy.world
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    7 hours ago

    You’re stupid if you’re unhappy with the status quo. You’re stupid if you have a problem with genocide.

    Nah. Not what I said. You can be concerned with these things as I am but still find the choice to vote for Harris very easy.

    You’re stupid if you can’t afford groceries!

    You may be ignorant if you believe grocery prices were in the control of Biden / Harris, especially in the wake of a divided Congress. Even so, the choice to vote for Harris should’ve been incredibly easy.

    Can’t you see that billionaires are doing just fine?

    Yes, the rich are the problem. I agree. Still should’ve been easy to vote for Harris as opposed to not vote, vote 3rd party, or vote Trump.

    You’re stupid if you notice that the party abandoned you and still demands unearned perfect fealty no matter what they do.

    All this skirts the underlying point: for anyone who supposedly saw what Harris and Trump were selling and found the choice difficult — even in spite of all those aforementioned factors — then you’re kind of a moron ignorant. Ethically; logically… Zero sense. I’ll rephrase because at least ignorance suggests one can change.

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      7 hours ago

      You can be concerned with these things as I am but still find the choice to vote for Harris very easy.

      If you’re a monster who is just fine with genocide, sure.

      I voted like you wanted. I hate both of us for it.

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        6 hours ago

        Well since you voted for Harris, I guess you’re not whom I’m speaking to, now, are you? Why then are you making this about you?

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          6 hours ago

          I voted for her. I did not find it easy. Anyone who did find it easy after the genocide support is a fucking psychopath.

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            6 hours ago
            • Harris > Trump on Gaza (and the probability of actually effecting future change, notably).
            • Harris > Trump on Women’s Rights.
            • Harris > Trump on LGBTQ+ Rights.
            • Harris > Trump on Immigrants’ Rights.
            • Harris > Trump on Ukrainian Genocide perpetrated by Russia.
            • Harris > Trump on Climate Change. (You realize this will kill more people than Gaza in the long-run, right?)

            Moreover:

            • Did Harris move the embassy to Jerusalem? – NO,
            • Did Harris tell Bibi to, “Finish the Job” like Trump? – NO,
            • Did Trump say that Palestinians deserve self-determination like Harris did? – NO.
            • Did Harris work to undermine the ceasefire agreements ahead of the election like Trump? – NO.
            • Did AIPAC and Bibi think Harris was better for them than Trump? – NO.

            Why was this not easy for you? It was CAKE for me, and I care about Gazans, too. There was no magical fairy-tale alternative candidate; this was a binary election. It seemed quite obvious that Harris resented Bibi and the actions of Palestine — but was between a rock and a hard place.

            This made all the more obvious by Musk dumping over $70 million in ads into Pennsylvania alone, targeting both Jewish and Muslim communities with literally opposite attack messages on Harris. If that doesn’t hint to the dilemma Harris was in in trying to win this election because of the fucked up Electoral College, then I don’t know what to tell you.

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              4 hours ago

              Harris second worst therefore genocide support good x11

              Why was this not easy for you?

              Because I’m not the sort of psycho that wants to give genocide support a mandate.

              It seemed quite obvious that Harris resented Bibi and the actions of Palestine

              It did not. At all. At any point.

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                I see you dodged ~99% of my comment and a plethora of serious issues. This should be an introspective warning-sign for your own cognitive dissonance.

                Please then admit that you don’t care about:

                • Climate Change
                • Immigrant’s Rights
                • Women’s Rights
                • LGBTQ+ rights
                • Ukrainian civilian lives

                It did not. At all. At any point.

                Then I’ll just repeat what was deflected so that it is clear now:

                • Did Harris move the embassy to Jerusalem? – NO,
                • Did Harris tell Bibi to, “Finish the Job” like Trump? – NO,
                • Did Trump say that Palestinians deserve self-determination like Harris did? – NO.
                • Did Harris work to undermine the ceasefire agreements ahead of the election like Trump? – NO.
                • Did AIPAC and Bibi think Harris was better for them than Trump? – NO.

                This made all the more obvious by Musk dumping over $70 million in ads into Pennsylvania alone, targeting both Jewish and Muslim communities with literally opposite attack messages on Harris. If that doesn’t hint to the dilemma Harris was in in trying to win this election because of the fucked up Electoral College, then I don’t know what to tell you except to say you are as complicit in the Ukrainian genocide as you claim Harris is with Gaza.

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                  I see you dodged ~99% of my comment and a plethora of serious issues. This should be an introspective warning-sign for your own cognitive dissonance.

                  Please then admit that you don’t care about:

                  Climate Change
                  Immigrant’s Rights
                  Women’s Rights
                  LGBTQ+ rights
                  Ukrainian civilian lives
                  

                  No, I do. It’s why I voted for Harris. Despite how reprehensible I find her unwavering support for genocide.

                  Then I’ll just repeat what was deflected so that it is clear now:

                  Did Harris move the embassy to Jerusalem? – NO, Did Harris tell Bibi to, “Finish the Job” like Trump? – NO, Did Trump say that Palestinians deserve self-determination like Harris did? – NO. Did Harris work to undermine the ceasefire agreements ahead of the election like Trump? – NO. Did AIPAC and Bibi think Harris was better for them than Trump? – NO.

                  So like I said, she was second worst on the issue of genocide. That does not make genocide support conscionable to people for whom it already was unconscionable.

                  If that doesn’t hint to the dilemma Harris was in in trying to win this election because of the fucked up Electoral College, then I don’t know what to tell you except to say you are as complicit in the Ukrainian genocide as you claim Harris is with Gaza.

                  We should have taken every weapon and ever filthy cent we sent to Netanyahu and instead sent it to Ukraine. And then doubled it.

                  Fuck your genocide.

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                    3 hours ago

                    Well, this is probably closest we’ll see eye-to-eye on this so I’ll leave it here. Our paths appear to diverge in terms of the political strategy in order to win against the right-wing propaganda machine and ensuring the worst genocider got in power. I don’t think Harris wanted to be associated with Genocide and I don’t think she holds any love for Netanyahu. But hey, I appreciate you voting for Harris and acknowledging that Trump is worse. Those two things are very important to me.